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Post by Vandelay Industries on Apr 14, 2015 21:10:11 GMT -5
Atari: Game Over.....enjoyable if somewhat short documentary about the rise & fall of Atari, while also answering the urban legend: did Atari really bury all those 'ET' games in a landfill? I really did sympathize with the guy who was saddled with the unreasonable responsibilities of getting the ET game out in such a small time frame, but at least he's doing well with his life these days, so kudos... I am surprised that a documentary about Atari was only deemed worthy of an hour documentary. I am quite sure there is much that could be told about the Atari company from when they started until now. Hell a Commodore documentary would probably be 2 hours. I think the landfill myth was the main inspiration for the movie, and they just filled it out with some anecdotal info about Atari in general....still an enjoyable watch IMO.
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 14, 2015 21:12:49 GMT -5
I am surprised that a documentary about Atari was only deemed worthy of an hour documentary. I am quite sure there is much that could be told about the Atari company from when they started until now. Hell a Commodore documentary would probably be 2 hours. I think the landfill myth was the main inspiration for the movie, and they just filled it out with some anecdotal info about Atari in general....still an enjoyable watch IMO. I really want to see it.
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Post by lugnut on Apr 14, 2015 21:24:05 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a good watch that definitely could have expanded the tale to encompass the entire "video game crash" of '82-84. Like I said in my little blurb thing for this on the previous page, someone who doesn't know the whole story would probably watch this and think it was just Atari that collapsed in this period instead of essentially the entire industry, for the next several years.
Plus it also confirmed my longstanding theory that, if anything at all was there, it was gonna wind up being a whole bunch of random Atari shit and not just E.T. cartridges alone.
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 14, 2015 21:25:42 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a good watch that definitely could have expanded the tale to encompass the entire "video game crash" of '82-84. Like I said in my little blurb thing for this on the previous page, someone who doesn't know the whole story would probably watch this and think it was just Atari that collapsed in this period instead of essentially the entire industry, for the next several years. Plus it also confirmed my longstanding theory that, if anything at all was there, it was gonna wind up being a whole bunch of random Atari shit and not just E.T. cartridges alone. Did Atari, Collecovision and Intellivision all pretty much crash at the same time?
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Post by lugnut on Apr 14, 2015 21:33:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a good watch that definitely could have expanded the tale to encompass the entire "video game crash" of '82-84. Like I said in my little blurb thing for this on the previous page, someone who doesn't know the whole story would probably watch this and think it was just Atari that collapsed in this period instead of essentially the entire industry, for the next several years. Plus it also confirmed my longstanding theory that, if anything at all was there, it was gonna wind up being a whole bunch of random Atari shit and not just E.T. cartridges alone. Did Atari, Collecovision and Intellivision all pretty much crash at the same time? Yep. They all went down, and that even includes the arcades. Who could say why exactly - everybody blames the death of the home consoles on too many bad games, too many new systems constantly coming out, etc., but it really doesn't explain why the arcade games enter a pretty fallow period right at the same time as well. Home PCs and PC games gained some ground in this period when consoles were semi-dormant, but nothing compared to the boom years of say '77-'81 when both home consoles and arcade games were raking in ridiculous amounts of cash. Nintendo is credited as coming along to save console games, but again, I don't think it's that simple. The NES got its US release in 1985, but just barely (most stores didn't even want to carry video games by this point), and it really didn't start truly gaining big-time traction until 1987 - and, coincidentally or not, the arcade games start coming back in a big way at roughly the same time even though Nintendo had no hand in any of those. There really is a big dead zone of sorts for video games in the mid-'80s and I'll be damned if I can figure out why all the events lined up the way they did in terms of either the decline or the comeback.
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 14, 2015 21:38:26 GMT -5
Did Atari, Collecovision and Intellivision all pretty much crash at the same time? Yep. They all went down, and that even includes the arcades. Who could say why exactly - everybody blames the death of the home consoles on too many bad games, too many new systems constantly coming out, etc., but it really doesn't explain why the arcade games enter a pretty fallow period right at the same time as well. Home PCs and PC games gained some ground in this period when consoles were semi-dormant, but nothing compared to the boom years of say '77-'81 when both home consoles and arcade games were raking in ridiculous amounts of cash. Nintendo is credited as coming along to save console games, but again, I don't think it's that simple. The NES got its US release in 1985, but just barely (most stores didn't even want to carry video games by this point), and it really didn't start truly gaining big-time traction until 1987 - and, coincidentally or not, the arcade games start coming back in a big way at roughly the same time even though Nintendo had no hand in any of those. There really is a big dead zone of sorts for video games in the mid-'80s and I'll be damned if I can figure out why all the events lined up the way they did in terms of either the decline or the comeback. I don't know how things were in the States, but in Canada - it seemed like everyone moved on from the home console to the Commodore 64/128 and playing games on them instead. Even schools were buying those computers and during lunch or whatever, people would be playing Commodore games. Do you recall the Commodore making much of an impact where you live?
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Post by Vandelay Industries on Apr 14, 2015 22:25:23 GMT -5
My bad, lugnut....i missed where you already commented about the movie. Sorry for seeming like I might've blown you off, LOL...
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Post by lugnut on Apr 14, 2015 22:52:39 GMT -5
Yep. They all went down, and that even includes the arcades. Who could say why exactly - everybody blames the death of the home consoles on too many bad games, too many new systems constantly coming out, etc., but it really doesn't explain why the arcade games enter a pretty fallow period right at the same time as well. Home PCs and PC games gained some ground in this period when consoles were semi-dormant, but nothing compared to the boom years of say '77-'81 when both home consoles and arcade games were raking in ridiculous amounts of cash. Nintendo is credited as coming along to save console games, but again, I don't think it's that simple. The NES got its US release in 1985, but just barely (most stores didn't even want to carry video games by this point), and it really didn't start truly gaining big-time traction until 1987 - and, coincidentally or not, the arcade games start coming back in a big way at roughly the same time even though Nintendo had no hand in any of those. There really is a big dead zone of sorts for video games in the mid-'80s and I'll be damned if I can figure out why all the events lined up the way they did in terms of either the decline or the comeback. I don't know how things were in the States, but in Canada - it seemed like everyone moved on from the home console to the Commodore 64/128 and playing games on them instead. Even schools were buying those computers and during lunch or whatever, people would be playing Commodore games. Do you recall the Commodore making much of an impact where you live? Around here it was actually the various Apple ][ lines of computers that were the big deal, but there was a good reason - I'm not sure if it was something they only did in certain regions, but Apple donated tons of computers to schools around the country in the early/mid '80s. Some places were fortunate enough to keep on getting Macs, but we never really did - I remember the last big upgrade when they sent dozens of IIGS's (the last of the II-series models, I think) and then after that, the entire Seneca school system seemed to get exactly one Macintosh-based computer per school until I graduated. (The last one I remember was a lone first-model iMac.) The school system in general had long since moved onto IBM/Windows-based PCs by then, but they kept on getting the one new free Apple computer every year. I've never read the exact history on how Apple's free-computers-for-schools thing worked though, but I'm guessing it was definitely limited to particular areas, since I know the C64 was a huge deal in the US as well, but around here I just hardly ever saw the things. If anyone had a computer at all, it was an Apple II family thing, an "IBM-compatible" as they were called then, or maybe an Atari 400/800 or a TRS-80.
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Post by lugnut on Apr 14, 2015 22:53:48 GMT -5
My bad, lugnut....i missed where you already commented about the movie. Sorry for seeming like I might've blown you off, LOL... lol, no offense taken or anything, didn't mean to imply as such
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 14, 2015 23:10:52 GMT -5
I don't know how things were in the States, but in Canada - it seemed like everyone moved on from the home console to the Commodore 64/128 and playing games on them instead. Even schools were buying those computers and during lunch or whatever, people would be playing Commodore games. Do you recall the Commodore making much of an impact where you live? Around here it was actually the various Apple ][ lines of computers that were the big deal, but there was a good reason - I'm not sure if it was something they only did in certain regions, but Apple donated tons of computers to schools around the country in the early/mid '80s. Some places were fortunate enough to keep on getting Macs, but we never really did - I remember the last big upgrade when they sent dozens of IIGS's (the last of the II-series models, I think) and then after that, the entire Seneca school system seemed to get exactly one Macintosh-based computer per school until I graduated. (The last one I remember was a lone first-model iMac.) The school system in general had long since moved onto IBM/Windows-based PCs by then, but they kept on getting the one new free Apple computer every year. I've never read the exact history on how Apple's free-computers-for-schools thing worked though, but I'm guessing it was definitely limited to particular areas, since I know the C64 was a huge deal in the US as well, but around here I just hardly ever saw the things. If anyone had a computer at all, it was an Apple II family thing, an "IBM-compatible" as they were called then, or maybe an Atari 400/800 or a TRS-80. I assume the Commodore was much cheaper than an Apple at the time, so people probably bought them because they were somewhat affordable. When I live - it was PC/IBM or Commodore. It's funny, but there were actually stores that were just focused on the Commodore and all their products and programs. It sort of seems insane today that someone would lay everything on the line with a Commodore focused business/store. If only we could see into the future.
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Post by lugnut on Apr 15, 2015 13:42:38 GMT -5
Around here it was actually the various Apple ][ lines of computers that were the big deal, but there was a good reason - I'm not sure if it was something they only did in certain regions, but Apple donated tons of computers to schools around the country in the early/mid '80s. Some places were fortunate enough to keep on getting Macs, but we never really did - I remember the last big upgrade when they sent dozens of IIGS's (the last of the II-series models, I think) and then after that, the entire Seneca school system seemed to get exactly one Macintosh-based computer per school until I graduated. (The last one I remember was a lone first-model iMac.) The school system in general had long since moved onto IBM/Windows-based PCs by then, but they kept on getting the one new free Apple computer every year. I've never read the exact history on how Apple's free-computers-for-schools thing worked though, but I'm guessing it was definitely limited to particular areas, since I know the C64 was a huge deal in the US as well, but around here I just hardly ever saw the things. If anyone had a computer at all, it was an Apple II family thing, an "IBM-compatible" as they were called then, or maybe an Atari 400/800 or a TRS-80. I assume the Commodore was much cheaper than an Apple at the time, so people probably bought them because they were somewhat affordable. When I live - it was PC/IBM or Commodore. It's funny, but there were actually stores that were just focused on the Commodore and all their products and programs. It sort of seems insane today that someone would lay everything on the line with a Commodore focused business/store. If only we could see into the future. I actually didn't have a "real" Apple myself, but rather a V-Tech Laser 128EX, which was a cheap clone that Apple unsuccessfully tried to sue into oblivion: These sold for around $500 when a "real" Apple IIc was selling for closer to $1000, so almost anyone I knew who had their own Apple at home actually had one of these things instead. They did everything a "real" one would do though, they just didn't look quite as fancy from a physical standpoint. And yeah, we had a store dedicated solely to Apple products (though not like the Apple Stores of today) which looked like a terrible idea by the time the '80s were nearing their end. The II systems were past their prime and nobody even wanted a Macintosh at that point, so I remember the local "Apple stores" trying to expand into the IBM/PC market but it was kinda too little too late (and they were still heavily pushing all those Macs they couldn't unload if you walked in to look around).
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 15, 2015 15:03:29 GMT -5
I assume the Commodore was much cheaper than an Apple at the time, so people probably bought them because they were somewhat affordable. When I live - it was PC/IBM or Commodore. It's funny, but there were actually stores that were just focused on the Commodore and all their products and programs. It sort of seems insane today that someone would lay everything on the line with a Commodore focused business/store. If only we could see into the future. I actually didn't have a "real" Apple myself, but rather a V-Tech Laser 128EX, which was a cheap clone that Apple unsuccessfully tried to sue into oblivion: These sold for around $500 when a "real" Apple IIc was selling for closer to $1000, so almost anyone I knew who had their own Apple at home actually had one of these things instead. They did everything a "real" one would do though, they just didn't look quite as fancy from a physical standpoint. And yeah, we had a store dedicated solely to Apple products (though not like the Apple Stores of today) which looked like a terrible idea by the time the '80s were nearing their end. The II systems were past their prime and nobody even wanted a Macintosh at that point, so I remember the local "Apple stores" trying to expand into the IBM/PC market but it was kinda too little too late (and they were still heavily pushing all those Macs they couldn't unload if you walked in to look around). So games designed for the Apple, would work with the V-Tech? Everything was compatible? How is possible that Apple would be unsuccessful in suing them if it was a knock-off?
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Post by B5Erik on Apr 15, 2015 15:13:31 GMT -5
Back on the subject of Last Movie I Watched...
I just watched The Thieves, a Korean caper/heist/action movie.
It starts out for the first hour or so like an Asian take on Ocean's Eleven, then it morphs into a more dramatic action/thriller. There are a ton of twists and hidden agendas, and it is a very entertaining movie. As expected, the Blu Ray has excellent picture & sound - a great buy that I'm really happy with.
Good movie.
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Post by lugnut on Apr 15, 2015 15:20:49 GMT -5
So games designed for the Apple, would work with the V-Tech? Everything was compatible? How is possible that Apple would be unsuccessful in suing them if it was a knock-off? Yep, supposedly they were something like "95% compatible," but I never saw a single Apple II program or product that didn't work with it just fine (I assume the "95%" was just covering their ass in case something didn't work). I think what Apple attempted to sue over was the operating system used by the Laser, but V-Tech had actually completely reverse-engineered all of Apple's coding themselves without copying anything Apple actually owned, so therefore they had no real basis to sue. Plus I think they were able to license a version of BASIC from Microsoft that was fully Apple compatible, meaning they didn't even have to reverse-engineer much of anything to start with. This was possible because when Apple created their "Applesoft BASIC" OS, they did so by... you guessed it, licensing a bunch of it from Microsoft. End result? Apple didn't really own all of their own OS, Microsoft did, and MS didn't give a shit who else wanted to license it as long as they had the cash. Apple did manage to sue away a few other clone systems, but that was because those systems actually copied Apple's own ROM code. V-Tech didn't, so they skated by with no problems. A similar-ish thing happened in the late '80s/early '90s between Nintendo and companies like Atari/Tengen who were making games for the NES without having an expensive licensing agreement with Nintendo. Nintendo included a "lockout chip" in all the consoles that was intended to prevent "unauthorized" companies from making games for the system, and the only way to bypass this was with a string of code that Nintendo owned - use that code without permission, get your ass sued. So what did Atari do? They signed up for an official Nintendo license long enough to release three games and figure out how to reverse-engineer the lockout chip and get around it without using Nintendo's code. Then they told Nintendo to fuck right off, dropped their license, and went right on making games for the NES on their own. (This sort of backfired on them eventually in the end, but that's a whole different story...)
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 15, 2015 15:29:37 GMT -5
So games designed for the Apple, would work with the V-Tech? Everything was compatible? How is possible that Apple would be unsuccessful in suing them if it was a knock-off? Yep, supposedly they were something like "95% compatible," but I never saw a single Apple II program or product that didn't work with it just fine (I assume the "95%" was just covering their ass in case something didn't work). I think what Apple attempted to sue over was the operating system used by the Laser, but V-Tech had actually completely reverse-engineered all of Apple's coding themselves without copying anything Apple actually owned, so therefore they had no real basis to sue. Plus I think they were able to license a version of BASIC from Microsoft that was fully Apple compatible, meaning they didn't even have to reverse-engineer much of anything to start with. This was possible because when Apple created their "Applesoft BASIC" OS, they did so by... you guessed it, licensing a bunch of it from Microsoft. End result? Apple didn't really own all of their own OS, Microsoft did, and MS didn't give a shit who else wanted to license it as long as they had the cash. Apple did manage to sue away a few other clone systems, but that was because those systems actually copied Apple's own ROM code. V-Tech didn't, so they skated by with no problems. A similar-ish thing happened in the late '80s/early '90s between Nintendo and companies like Atari/Tengen who were making games for the NES without having an expensive licensing agreement with Nintendo. Nintendo included a "lockout chip" in all the consoles that was intended to prevent "unauthorized" companies from making games for the system, and the only way to bypass this was with a string of code that Nintendo owned - use that code without permission, get your ass sued. So what did Atari do? They signed up for an official Nintendo license long enough to release three games and figure out how to reverse-engineer the lockout chip and get around it without using Nintendo's code. Then they told Nintendo to fuck right off, dropped their license, and went right on making games for the NES on their own. (This sort of backfired on them eventually in the end, but that's a whole different story...) I am really surprised there isn't great documentary about the 80's computer industry and competing companies (more than just Jobs vs. Gates) and the eventual downfall of many of them. Same goes for the doc about Atari, Colleco, Intellivision, etc. Or is there and I have just missed them?
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Post by lugnut on Apr 15, 2015 18:28:49 GMT -5
Yep, supposedly they were something like "95% compatible," but I never saw a single Apple II program or product that didn't work with it just fine (I assume the "95%" was just covering their ass in case something didn't work). I think what Apple attempted to sue over was the operating system used by the Laser, but V-Tech had actually completely reverse-engineered all of Apple's coding themselves without copying anything Apple actually owned, so therefore they had no real basis to sue. Plus I think they were able to license a version of BASIC from Microsoft that was fully Apple compatible, meaning they didn't even have to reverse-engineer much of anything to start with. This was possible because when Apple created their "Applesoft BASIC" OS, they did so by... you guessed it, licensing a bunch of it from Microsoft. End result? Apple didn't really own all of their own OS, Microsoft did, and MS didn't give a shit who else wanted to license it as long as they had the cash. Apple did manage to sue away a few other clone systems, but that was because those systems actually copied Apple's own ROM code. V-Tech didn't, so they skated by with no problems. A similar-ish thing happened in the late '80s/early '90s between Nintendo and companies like Atari/Tengen who were making games for the NES without having an expensive licensing agreement with Nintendo. Nintendo included a "lockout chip" in all the consoles that was intended to prevent "unauthorized" companies from making games for the system, and the only way to bypass this was with a string of code that Nintendo owned - use that code without permission, get your ass sued. So what did Atari do? They signed up for an official Nintendo license long enough to release three games and figure out how to reverse-engineer the lockout chip and get around it without using Nintendo's code. Then they told Nintendo to fuck right off, dropped their license, and went right on making games for the NES on their own. (This sort of backfired on them eventually in the end, but that's a whole different story...) I am really surprised there isn't great documentary about the 80's computer industry and competing companies (more than just Jobs vs. Gates) and the eventual downfall of many of them. Same goes for the doc about Atari, Colleco, Intellivision, etc. Or is there and I have just missed them? Nah, I don't know of many either. There's Once Upon Atari which covers quite a bit of the same ground covered by the Atari: Game Over doc, with more focus on Atari as a company overall and not just during the down swing. I also liked one called Video Games: The Movie, which got a lot of bad press seemingly mostly because Zach Braff produced it, but is a pretty good overall look at the history of console and arcade games even if it does try to cram a little too much in. I suspect some of the bad reviews for this one were also because hardcore gamers probably knew everything it had to say, but it's really intended for a more general audience anyway. There's a certain type of gamer who doesn't seem to understand that not everything is specifically made for them and lashes out at it. Otherwise, there's definitely a lot of interesting stories that are so far untold. Nintendo vs Atari/Tengen and the entire Tetris debacle alone could make a great documentary or even a "real" movie. I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to do a biopic-type feature with big name stars for at least Atari by now. One of the "game documentary" type things I've enjoyed most lately is a Youtube series called The Video Game Years that's still ongoing. It's produced completely in the mold of VH1's I Love the... shows, so much so that I wonder if someone involved didn't work on the VH1 show or if the series was intended to be produced for VH1 at some point. They go year-by-year with 4 or 5 mini-episodes devoted to each year (for instance, 1983 will be split into four parts that when combined would equal about a single 45 minute TV episode). So far they've just finished up 1987, so they're right in the heart of the Nintendo years right now. Here's the first episode (1977), which they handily did actually provide as a single episode, but for the rest I think you have to deal with the mini-episodes. On the plus side, it looks like they've put up the rest in playlists now, so clicking the 1978 playlist or whatever should just run all the pieces in order without having to search the episodes out individually.
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 15, 2015 18:56:30 GMT -5
I am really surprised there isn't great documentary about the 80's computer industry and competing companies (more than just Jobs vs. Gates) and the eventual downfall of many of them. Same goes for the doc about Atari, Colleco, Intellivision, etc. Or is there and I have just missed them? Nah, I don't know of many either. There's Once Upon Atari which covers quite a bit of the same ground covered by the Atari: Game Over doc, with more focus on Atari as a company overall and not just during the down swing. I also liked one called Video Games: The Movie, which got a lot of bad press seemingly mostly because Zach Braff produced it, but is a pretty good overall look at the history of console and arcade games even if it does try to cram a little too much in. I suspect some of the bad reviews for this one were also because hardcore gamers probably knew everything it had to say, but it's really intended for a more general audience anyway. There's a certain type of gamer who doesn't seem to understand that not everything is specifically made for them and lashes out at it. Otherwise, there's definitely a lot of interesting stories that are so far untold. Nintendo vs Atari/Tengen and the entire Tetris debacle alone could make a great documentary or even a "real" movie. I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to do a biopic-type feature with big name stars for at least Atari by now. One of the "game documentary" type things I've enjoyed most lately is a Youtube series called The Video Game Years that's still ongoing. It's produced completely in the mold of VH1's I Love the... shows, so much so that I wonder if someone involved didn't work on the VH1 show or if the series was intended to be produced for VH1 at some point. They go year-by-year with 4 or 5 mini-episodes devoted to each year (for instance, 1983 will be split into four parts that when combined would equal about a single 45 minute TV episode). So far they've just finished up 1987, so they're right in the heart of the Nintendo years right now. Here's the first episode (1977), which they handily did actually provide as a single episode, but for the rest I think you have to deal with the mini-episodes. On the plus side, it looks like they've put up the rest in playlists now, so clicking the 1978 playlist or whatever should just run all the pieces in order without having to search the episodes out individually. I saw Video Game: The Movie and dug that. I will check out the Video Game Years. There was talk of a Commodore documentary a while back and even claims that they were going to make a computer comeback, but it seems like plans for both fell apart. While it`s a TV movie - did you like Pirates Of Silicon Valley with Anthony Michel Hall as Gates and Noah Wylie as Jobs. I thought it was pretty good for what it was.
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Post by Cducharme on Apr 15, 2015 19:04:39 GMT -5
Speaking of Commodore, I think it's amazing that people not only still use AmigaOS but someone is actively developing it still.
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Post by lugnut on Apr 15, 2015 20:50:08 GMT -5
Speaking of Commodore, I think it's amazing that people not only still use AmigaOS but someone is actively developing it still. Presumably the same weirdo who keeps updating the Dreamcast internet browser. Seriously, I think there's a version that works with Youtube now.
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Post by Hey Man on May 7, 2015 18:38:53 GMT -5
Avengers - Age Of Ultron. What a piece of shit and to clarify - I dug the first one and like all the Marvel movies, but holy shit this was terrible.
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Post by I'm Almost Human on May 12, 2015 16:58:09 GMT -5
Avengers - Age Of Ultron. What a piece of shit and to clarify - I dug the first one and like all the Marvel movies, but holy shit this was terrible. How bad are we talking here.. ? What was wrong with it ?
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Post by Hey Man on May 12, 2015 21:57:28 GMT -5
Avengers - Age Of Ultron. What a piece of shit and to clarify - I dug the first one and like all the Marvel movies, but holy shit this was terrible. How bad are we talking here.. ? What was wrong with it ? It was just an awful script which pretty much was just a rehash of the first Avengers - but this time, they packed way too much into the movie and it's just a bloated mess. And poorly directed. James Spader and Paul Bettany save the movie. I really think Joss Whedon had a bitch of a time making this movie and had battles with Marvel over the final cut. I don't think he will do another film with Marvel.
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Post by CaboChris on May 12, 2015 22:28:38 GMT -5
Death Wish 3
"They killed the giggler, man"!!!
Lol, brilliant!
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Post by I'm Almost Human on May 14, 2015 7:37:55 GMT -5
How bad are we talking here.. ? What was wrong with it ? It was just an awful script which pretty much was just a rehash of the first Avengers - but this time, they packed way too much into the movie and it's just a bloated mess. And poorly directed. James Spader and Paul Bettany save the movie. I really think Joss Whedon had a bitch of a time making this movie and had battles with Marvel over the final cut. I don't think he will do another film with Marvel. I love Spader
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Post by Hey Man on May 14, 2015 10:23:03 GMT -5
It was just an awful script which pretty much was just a rehash of the first Avengers - but this time, they packed way too much into the movie and it's just a bloated mess. And poorly directed. James Spader and Paul Bettany save the movie. I really think Joss Whedon had a bitch of a time making this movie and had battles with Marvel over the final cut. I don't think he will do another film with Marvel. I love Spader Me too - he is awesome.
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Post by Hey Man on Jun 23, 2015 13:56:22 GMT -5
Danny Collins - I really dug this movie and Pacino was great.
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Post by Steve on Jun 18, 2016 6:13:28 GMT -5
Finally got around to Scream recently. One of the best American directors in the business (RIP) poking gentle fun at himself. Eminently watchable for reasons other than Rose McGowan's nipples, although they're very prominent and very nice.
I want to see The Conjuring 2, and would have by now if my two of my horror fan friends hadn't nixed our plans. I'm a little disappointed about that, if not earth shatteringly so. In another life I might ask the very friendly waitress at the place I have breakfast at least once a week on my way to the library.
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Post by Psychosaint on Jun 23, 2016 4:09:18 GMT -5
Just looking at this page and wondering why all these people left the freewheeler.
Vandeley, B5Erik, lugnut, cabocris, Im almost human
Get ur asses back here.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 12, 2023 12:05:51 GMT -5
So many movies since the last post in 2016. What was the last movie you have watched? My fake wife - sister actually and I watched Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One recently. Dug it for what it is. Cruise makes good movies, but I think they shouldn't have shown all the stunts prior in previews/trailers. Took away the impact when you watched them in the movie.
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Post by kissoff on Oct 12, 2023 20:31:25 GMT -5
So many movies since the last post in 2016. What was the last movie you have watched? My fake wife - sister actually and I watched Mission Impossible Dead Reckonings Part One recently. Dug it for what it is. Cruise makes good movies, but I think they shouldn't have shown all the stunts prior in previews/trailers. Took away the impact when you watched them in the movie. One of my fave Cruise movies is COCKTAIL. Great flick!!
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