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Post by Hey Man on Sept 24, 2012 6:05:38 GMT -5
Just get rid of Joe and get Richie Kotzen or Rich Robinson.
The feud between Glenn Hughes and Joe Bonamassa over the future of Black Country Communion has gone public, with the pair indulging in a brief exchange on Twitter.
The supergroup’s future has been in doubt since frontman Hughes warned he was ready to quit, saying he was frustrated with Bonamassa’s solo career meaning they couldn’t tour their new album, Afterglow.
The former Deep Purple and Black Sabbath man also said he’d been left with the main songwriting chores for the record because Bonamassa was unavailable.
Last week they announced a one-off show in England for January, which some believed was a make-or-break moment – then cancelled it soon after pre-sale tickets had become available.
In the absence of an official explanation, producer Kevin Shirley – who masterminded the union of Hughes, Bonamassa, Jason Bonham and Derek Sherinian – said: “I like to leave these things alone, but I feel an apology is in order. When you’re thrown a lifeline, it doesn’t serve you to steal the rope! And tweeting doesn’t make it history, or true. Your call will be answered – please enjoy the music…”
Last night bluesman Bonamassa, who’s just released a video for his song Dislocated Boy, tweeted: “I am very sorry about the Black Country Communion canceled gig. But principle still stands for something in 2012. I ready to move on.”
Hughes, who will tonight appear at the Jim Marshall tribute show in London’s Wembley Arena, retweeted the comment and added: “Me too.” Earlier, during rehearsals for the show with Andy Fraser and Yngwie Malmsteen, he’d tweeted: “Been a rough week.”
BCC formed in 2009 at Shirley’s suggestion and released their debut album the following year.
Afterglow is released at the end of October.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 7:25:30 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance but isn't Rich Robinson strictly a rhythm player while bonomassa us rates one of the best lead players in the world?
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 24, 2012 7:38:33 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance but isn't Rich Robinson strictly a rhythm player while bonomassa us rates one of the best lead players in the world? Rich plays everything and he is quite brilliant - both in playing and songwriting. He is a far better songwriter for sure over Bonomassa, who can be quite boring. Here is a track from Robinson's first solo album. I think Joe is pretty overrated actually - I mean I like him and he is very talented, but he is not unlike Kenny Wayne Sheppard. If BCC can't tour because of Joe, he needs to be replaced as opposed to the band breaking up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 9:25:00 GMT -5
Finally Hey Man said something I agree with. Joe Bonnamassa is boring and waaaay overrated. Never understood his appeal, especially to someone like ROVER, who was a fan of far more interesting stuff, but always touted this guy as something special or brilliant even.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 17:52:25 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance but isn't Rich Robinson strictly a rhythm player while bonomassa us rates one of the best lead players in the world? Rich plays everything and he is quite brilliant - both in playing and songwriting. He is a far better songwriter for sure over Bonomassa, who can be quite boring. Here is a track from Robinson's first solo album. I think Joe is pretty overrated actually - I mean I like him and he is very talented, but he is not unlike Kenny Wayne Sheppard. If BCC can't tour because of Joe, he needs to be replaced as opposed to the band breaking up. I like the Crowes but I found that Robinson solo track quite ordinary and the wasn't a lot of evidence of soloing ability in there. The Crowes are evidence enough that he is a good songwriter though. I've never had the chance to listen to BCC so I don't know what sort of stuff Bonamassa has played with them. I do know though that the Black Crowes have always hired a second guitarist to handle the soloing. At least I thought I knew that. Edit: Just watched a BCC clip.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 10:14:26 GMT -5
Without going into the comings and goings of all this nonsense.. I am sorry it all has come to this point that the gig has been cancelled .. I love all the guys in BCC and love making music with them. But at this point in our lives it doesn't seem in the cards so to speak. I will always consider each of them a dear friend and the door is always open at least from my point of view. I just can't do it at this point with all the things that been said unfairly about me and my intentions toward this band.. It would not be an honest show for me and I will not take the money from the fans in that fashion. For 23 years I have always maintained that code... I will not compromise that deal I made with you the fans and myself so many years ago whether its 1 or 100,000 people in the audience... Thank you for understanding .. And I totally understand if you do not by the way. Im just one member of this band of five and very disappointed in the way this has played out over the past two months. With that said I will not allow my reputation that I worked 25 years to establish to be compromised by someone who has the microphone and a agenda.. This will be the last I will speak of this event.. I won't get into the discussion and want to put this all behind me for I see it as a black eye on my career. I just really felt I owed you all somewhat of explanation..
You are all the best thank you again.. Joe Bonamassa
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Sorry... I need to clarify.. I love the BCC part of my career... I regard the past two months and the cancelation as a black eye ... Not how I wanted it to go.
Joe B
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 10:30:48 GMT -5
I am totally on the side of Hughes on this. Joe can have his solo career, but if he agreed to join a band - he should have set aside a window of time to give to that band for touring and appearances.
Every artist that I can think of that had a band in addition to a solo career - properly organized their time to be able to give 100% to both. Joe is kind of a dick for not doing this as if he is somehow more important than the rest of the band. What's the point of going in to make an album for a few weeks, but not support that album with some touring.
At least with Chickenfoot - there was an understanding that Chad Smith had to tour with RHCP, so they got a replacement drummer to tour with. But Chad is still part of Chickenfoot and will record with the band on their next album and tour with them while the Peppers are off the road.
BCC should get Richie Kotzen or Rich Robinson - both better guitarists and songwriters than Bonamassa. Hughes and Kotzen already have a relationship and have written some songs together.
Here is a song called Stoned by Kotzen - you can hear Hughes in the background vocals.
[youtube]I am totally on the side of Hughes on this. Joe can have his solo career, but if he agreed to join a band - he should have set aside a window of time to give to that band for touring and appearances.
Every artist that I can think of that had a band in addition to a solo career - properly organized their time to be able to give 100% to both. Joe is kind of a dick for not doing this as if he is somehow more important than the rest of the band. What's the point of going in to make an album for a few weeks, but not support that album with some touring.
At least with Chickenfoot - there was an understanding that Chad Smith had to tour with RHCP, so they got a replacement drummer to tour with. But Chad is still part of Chickenfoot and will record with the band on their next album and tour with them while the Peppers are off the road.
BCC should get Richie Kotzen or Rich Robinson - both better guitarists and songwriters than Bonamassa. Hughes and Kotzen already have a relationship and have written some songs together.
Here is a song called Stoned by Kotzen - you can hear Hughes in the background vocals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 10:58:56 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck about BCC or Joe B but to me this seems very similar to Blackfield in that like Steven Wilson, Joe made it clear up front that this was just a side project for him and not what he was going to focus his time and attention on. Joe has publicly stated that he's given his full blessings for Glenn to replace him, so fucking replace him and move on. That's exactly what happened when it became apparent that there was more demand for Blackfield than Steven Wilson had the time for. Aviv simply carried on without him, with Steven's blessings. I'm just not seeing what Glenn's problem is, unless he's afraid that the BCC audience won't be interested in them without Joe, but I doubt that's the case since he seems pretty confident in the album he wrote. So just stop acting like a petulant child, get someone new and carry forward. Simple.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 11:19:56 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck about BCC or Joe B but to me this seems very similar to Blackfield in that like Steven Wilson, Joe made it clear up front that this was just a side project for him and not what he was going to focus his time and attention on. Joe has publicly stated that he's given his full blessings for Glenn to replace him, so fucking replace him and move on. That's exactly what happened when it became apparent that there was more demand for Blackfield than Steven Wilson had the time for. Aviv simply carried on without him, with Steven's blessings. I'm just not seeing what Glenn's problem is, unless he's afraid that the BCC audience won't be interested in them without Joe, but I doubt that's the case since he seems pretty confident in the album he wrote. So just stop acting like a petulant child, get someone new and carry forward. Simple. I think Joe isn't living up to whatever agreement was made with BCC. I really don't think the rest of the band was just fine with making albums and then doing nothing to support them right from the get go. Glenn has every right to be frustrated. What bothers me about Joe is the fact that he never made BCC a priority - do 6 months solo career and 6 months BCC. Despite Kevin Shirley putting the band together, Joe should have never been part of the project if he was unwilling to commit to it despite any best intentions he may have had. I mean BCC have made two albums that are just amazing and that deserve all the success in the world. If I released a superior product to the world and couldn't tour to support it - I would be pissed too. If one guy is holding up everyone else, the blame should go to the one guy. Sure they could replace him and hopefully they will, but I have no problem with Hughes trying to get Joe to wake the fuck up and realize that he is part of a band.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 11:33:18 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck about BCC or Joe B but to me this seems very similar to Blackfield in that like Steven Wilson, Joe made it clear up front that this was just a side project for him and not what he was going to focus his time and attention on. Joe has publicly stated that he's given his full blessings for Glenn to replace him, so fucking replace him and move on. That's exactly what happened when it became apparent that there was more demand for Blackfield than Steven Wilson had the time for. Aviv simply carried on without him, with Steven's blessings. I'm just not seeing what Glenn's problem is, unless he's afraid that the BCC audience won't be interested in them without Joe, but I doubt that's the case since he seems pretty confident in the album he wrote. So just stop acting like a petulant child, get someone new and carry forward. Simple. I think Joe isn't living up to whatever agreement was made with BCC. I really don't think the rest of the band was just fine with making albums and then doing nothing to support them right from the get go. Glenn has every right to be frustrated. What bothers me about Joe is the fact that he never made BCC a priority - do 6 months solo career and 6 months BCC. Despite Kevin Shirley putting the band together, Joe should have never been part of the project if he was unwilling to commit to it despite any best intentions he may have had. I mean BCC have made two albums that are just amazing and that deserve all the success in the world. If I released a superior product to the world and couldn't tour to support it - I would be pissed too. If one guy is holding up everyone else, the blame should go to the one guy. Sure they could replace him and hopefully they will, but I have no problem with Hughes trying to get Joe to wake the fuck up and realize that he is part of a band. Well none of us know what agreement they made outside of what they have said. I've not heard where Joe promised to put more time into this project and then didn't live up. If that's the case then yeah, he probably shouldn't have agreed to do it if he didn't have the time. But just basing it on the comments that have come out in the press it sounds like he's been pretty open and straightforward with them to say that this is just a side project for him and to suggest that they carry forward with someone else. When someone is saying "hey I don't want to be here so maybe you should find someone else who does" you don't keep beating them over the head with the fact that you want them to be there. That's ridiculous. An adult would realize that this person has different priorities and needs than you do, wish them well and then move on with the business of finding someone who shares their interest to make albums and tour them. Period.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 11:59:44 GMT -5
I think Joe isn't living up to whatever agreement was made with BCC. I really don't think the rest of the band was just fine with making albums and then doing nothing to support them right from the get go. Glenn has every right to be frustrated. What bothers me about Joe is the fact that he never made BCC a priority - do 6 months solo career and 6 months BCC. Despite Kevin Shirley putting the band together, Joe should have never been part of the project if he was unwilling to commit to it despite any best intentions he may have had. I mean BCC have made two albums that are just amazing and that deserve all the success in the world. If I released a superior product to the world and couldn't tour to support it - I would be pissed too. If one guy is holding up everyone else, the blame should go to the one guy. Sure they could replace him and hopefully they will, but I have no problem with Hughes trying to get Joe to wake the fuck up and realize that he is part of a band. Well none of us know what agreement they made outside of what they have said. I've not heard where Joe promised to put more time into this project and then didn't live up. If that's the case then yeah, he probably shouldn't have agreed to do it if he didn't have the time. But just basing it on the comments that have come out in the press it sounds like he's been pretty open and straightforward with them to say that this is just a side project for him and to suggest that they carry forward with someone else. When someone is saying "hey I don't want to be here so maybe you should find someone else who does" you don't keep beating them over the head with the fact that you want them to be there. That's ridiculous. An adult would realize that this person has different priorities and needs than you do, wish them well and then move on with the business of finding someone who shares their interest to make albums and tour them. Period. It's easy for someone who doesn't really give a shit to just say replace me and then move on. I have been in this same exact situation before on movie projects - like Glenn, I want to know that I did everything I could to get the person make some fucking effort before he is replaced - especially if that person is a friend.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 12:10:00 GMT -5
Well none of us know what agreement they made outside of what they have said. I've not heard where Joe promised to put more time into this project and then didn't live up. If that's the case then yeah, he probably shouldn't have agreed to do it if he didn't have the time. But just basing it on the comments that have come out in the press it sounds like he's been pretty open and straightforward with them to say that this is just a side project for him and to suggest that they carry forward with someone else. When someone is saying "hey I don't want to be here so maybe you should find someone else who does" you don't keep beating them over the head with the fact that you want them to be there. That's ridiculous. An adult would realize that this person has different priorities and needs than you do, wish them well and then move on with the business of finding someone who shares their interest to make albums and tour them. Period. It's easy for someone who doesn't really give a shit to just say replace me and then move on. I have been in this same exact situation before on movie projects - like Glenn, I want to know that I did everything I could to get the person make some fucking effort before he is replaced - especially if that person is a friend. What apparently both you and Glenn fail to see is that you wear people out and push them further away when you continue to badger them about something that they have ALREADY decided they don't want to do.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 12:16:03 GMT -5
It's easy for someone who doesn't really give a shit to just say replace me and then move on. I have been in this same exact situation before on movie projects - like Glenn, I want to know that I did everything I could to get the person make some fucking effort before he is replaced - especially if that person is a friend. What apparently both you and Glenn fail to see is that you wear people out and push them further away when you continue to badger them about something that they have ALREADY decided they don't want to do. I have no problem with that. If it's already gotten to the point that I am as pissed off as Glenn is - it's probably not going to go my way anyway. So while calling the person out may have a further negative effect, it could also wake the person up from their slumber to realize that other people are counting on him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 12:30:27 GMT -5
What apparently both you and Glenn fail to see is that you wear people out and push them further away when you continue to badger them about something that they have ALREADY decided they don't want to do. I have no problem with that. If it's already gotten to the point that I am as pissed off as Glenn is - it's probably not going to go my way anyway. So while calling the person out may have a further negative effect, it could also wake the person up from their slumber to realize that other people are counting on him. But you are only looking at one side of the picture. What Glenn and BCC are counting on from him. What about the rest of the people in Joe's career? I'm sure they expect him to live up to the commitments that he's made to them. And then there is what Joe himself WANTS to do. Maybe he prefers his solo career where he can have complete control over the direction and not have to compromise with "THE voice" and his ego, which from all indications is quite massive. Or maybe he enjoys playing his solo stuff more than he enjoys playing BCC. Who knows. Regardless, he's made it quite clear where he stands. Glenn's hissy fit is ONLY going to make him less inclined to see a different point of view.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 12:43:28 GMT -5
I have no problem with that. If it's already gotten to the point that I am as pissed off as Glenn is - it's probably not going to go my way anyway. So while calling the person out may have a further negative effect, it could also wake the person up from their slumber to realize that other people are counting on him. But you are only looking at one side of the picture. What Glenn and BCC are counting on from him. What about the rest of the people in Joe's career? I'm sure they expect him to live up to the commitments that he's made to them. And then there is what Joe himself WANTS to do. Maybe he prefers his solo career where he can have complete control over the direction and not have to compromise with "THE voice" and his ego, which from all indications is quite massive. Or maybe he enjoys playing his solo stuff more than he enjoys playing BCC. Who knows. Regardless, he's made it quite clear where he stands. Glenn's hissy fit is ONLY going to make him less inclined to see a different point of view. If that's the case, then Joe should have removed himself from BCC and not make a third album with the band if he can't give 100%. The right thing to do is to say listen guys, I am going to have to bow out of the band, because my solo career is more important to me and I don't want to hold you guys back. It shouldn't have even gotten to the point where Glenn needed to call out Joe because he couldn't take it anymore. Joe wanted to have his cake and eat it too - which is bullshit on his part.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 13:09:05 GMT -5
But you are only looking at one side of the picture. What Glenn and BCC are counting on from him. What about the rest of the people in Joe's career? I'm sure they expect him to live up to the commitments that he's made to them. And then there is what Joe himself WANTS to do. Maybe he prefers his solo career where he can have complete control over the direction and not have to compromise with "THE voice" and his ego, which from all indications is quite massive. Or maybe he enjoys playing his solo stuff more than he enjoys playing BCC. Who knows. Regardless, he's made it quite clear where he stands. Glenn's hissy fit is ONLY going to make him less inclined to see a different point of view. If that's the case, then Joe should have removed himself from BCC and not make a third album with the band if he can't give 100%. The right thing to do is to say listen guys, I am going to have to bow out of the band, because my solo career is more important to me and I don't want to hold you guys back. It shouldn't have even gotten to the point where Glenn needed to call out Joe because he couldn't take it anymore. Joe wanted to have his cake and eat it too - which is bullshit on his part. Glenn was bitching that he had to write the album all by himself because Joe wasn't around. So given THAT statement by Glenn he clearly already knew that Joe was more focused on his solo career than he was on BCC. he could have and probably should have found a different guitarist then.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 13:19:29 GMT -5
If that's the case, then Joe should have removed himself from BCC and not make a third album with the band if he can't give 100%. The right thing to do is to say listen guys, I am going to have to bow out of the band, because my solo career is more important to me and I don't want to hold you guys back. It shouldn't have even gotten to the point where Glenn needed to call out Joe because he couldn't take it anymore. Joe wanted to have his cake and eat it too - which is bullshit on his part. Glenn was bitching that he had to write the album all by himself because Joe wasn't around. So given THAT statement by Glenn he clearly already knew that Joe was more focused on his solo career than he was on BCC. he could have and probably should have found a different guitarist then. You are making it sound easier than it is. With Kevin Shirley being the producer of BCC and Joe's solo projects in addition to being the person who brought the band together, there is much more involved behind the scenes to make it a little difficult to just go get another guitarist. Again, it's easier for the person who doesn't give a shit to just say go hire someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 20:11:20 GMT -5
Yup. Bonamassa is your typical boring cracker blues guitarist. Yawn. Always the weak link in BCC. Fuck him. This. BTW, LED, check your PMs.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 22:47:51 GMT -5
Erik posted on the FAQ:
Bonamassa has removed all mention of BCC from his facebook page and his website. Even his message board has deleted any reference to BCC. It's like the band never existed, like he was never a part of it.
It's merely three of the best albums of the last decade, that's all. Nothing to be proud of. Nothing worth mentioning.
What a dick.
I was leaning towards Glenn's side before, but now I am FIRMLY in the Glenn Hughes camp.
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Post by B5Erik on Sept 25, 2012 23:51:39 GMT -5
Yes, it's true.
Bonamassa is a dick.
And I posted that on the FAQ.
Satriani finds a way to work as a solo artist AND do Chickenfoot - both FULL time ventures, more or less. And Satriani is a more successful solo artist than Bonamassa.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2012 23:54:14 GMT -5
Yes, it's true. Bonamassa is a dick. And I posted that on the FAQ. Satriani finds a way to work as a solo artist AND do Chickenfoot - both FULL time ventures, more or less. And Satriani is a more successful solo artist than Bonamassa. I gave you credit. You are right though. I read on another forum that Glenn has met up with Doug Aldrich. He would be great and would do BCC and Whitesnake.
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Post by B5Erik on Sept 25, 2012 23:58:09 GMT -5
Yes, it's true. Bonamassa is a dick. And I posted that on the FAQ. Satriani finds a way to work as a solo artist AND do Chickenfoot - both FULL time ventures, more or less. And Satriani is a more successful solo artist than Bonamassa. I gave you credit. Exactly. I was just confirming that the quote there was just as true as the fact that Bonamassa's being a dick. But can Doug sing? If he can I'd be cool with that. Alrich, Kotzen - I'm sure there are a dozen guys who would be just as good as, if not better than, Bonamassa.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 26, 2012 0:02:45 GMT -5
Exactly. I was just confirming that the quote there was just as true as the fact that Bonamassa's being a dick. But can Doug sing? If he can I'd be cool with that. Alrich, Kotzen - I'm sure there are a dozen guys who would be just as good as, if not better than, Bonamassa. I would want Kotzen, but he is already busy with his own classic rock type band with Billy Sheehan and Mike Portnoy. So he probably wouldn't be in two retro type bands. I would like to know your opinion and this is something that I was debating with ROVER - what arrangement do you think was made between Joe and the band. Do you think they knew that he was never going to tour with BCC due to his solo career or do you think Joe made promises that he didn't keep and kept putting BCC on the back burner?
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Post by B5Erik on Sept 26, 2012 0:08:22 GMT -5
I think it was a nod and a handshake. "I'll do BCC as I have time, but if it turns out to be really good I may be able to find more time for it." Kind of a non-committal agreement to spend time as appropriate if the band turned out to be really good.
BCC turnd out to be a HUGE critical success, but not a huge sales success, so Bonamassa prioritized his solo career over BCC even though BCC is what's getting him the best reviews of his career. BCC was never going to be a Platinum selling band, nor was it even going to bea Gold selling band - but they could have easily doubled their sales with some solid touring and real promotion.
I just think that Bonamassa decided that his priority was his solo career, even though he may have indicated that he'd be interested in doing more than a handful of shows per year with BCC.
Honestly, I think he didn't want to be pinned down in the beginning and just thought the whole thing was a fun lark, and then it turned out to be brilliant and the other guys wanted to spend more time on it but he still didn't. I just don't think he was as honest and up front with them as he could have been.
"Sure, I'll consider spending more time on BCC if it turns out well..."
That kind of thing. Probably.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 26, 2012 0:14:58 GMT -5
I think it was a nod and a handshake. "I'll do BCC as I have time, but if it turns out to be really good I may be able to find more time for it." Kind of a non-committal agreement to spend time as appropriate if the band turned out to be really good. BCC turnd out to be a HUGE critical success, but not a huge sales success, so Bonamassa prioritized his solo career over BCC even though BCC is what's getting him the best reviews of his career. BCC was never going to be a Platinum selling band, nor was it even going to bea Gold selling band - but they could have easily doubled their sales with some solid touring and real promotion. I just think that Bonamassa decided that his priority was his solo career, even though he may have indicated that he'd be interested in doing more than a handful of shows per year with BCC. Honestly, I think he didn't want to be pinned down in the beginning and just thought the whole thing was a fun lark, and then it turned out to be brilliant and the other guys wanted to spend more time on it but he still didn't. I just don't think he was as honest and up front with them as he could have been. "Sure, I'll consider spending more time on BCC if it turns out well..." That kind of thing. Probably. Cause you would think they would talk about this stuff while they are shooting the shit in the studio making Afterglow. Like hey let's see if we can arrange a tour - these songs are great and it would be wonderful to be able play them live. Would 3 months have really killed Joe and his precious solo career? Like you said - Satch did it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 2:05:52 GMT -5
Why would Joe B. remove all BCC info from his personal pages?
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 8, 2012 2:08:57 GMT -5
Why would Joe B. remove all BCC info from his personal pages? Because he is pissed off with Glenn and that was his way to get back. It seems like things have cooled though. Welcome to The Freewheeler!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 4:30:18 GMT -5
BCC is cool unlike whitesnake
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 8, 2012 15:36:45 GMT -5
BCC is cool unlike whitesnake Tell us more about how uncool Whitesnake is.
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