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Post by Hey Man on Aug 30, 2011 22:07:10 GMT -5
Talk about 90's bands/albums/music here.
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Post by Lord Ace on Sept 8, 2011 15:41:49 GMT -5
They all sucked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 20:23:47 GMT -5
Ahhh a thread just for me! Lol
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 8, 2011 20:28:50 GMT -5
Ahhh a thread just for me! Lol Big fan of the 90s?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 20:33:22 GMT -5
Ahhh a thread just for me! Lol Big fan of the 90s? Yes! I graduated high school in 94 so it's A big part of the soundtrack of my life. Loved grunge music, alternative, dance, r&b even some hip hop from that era
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 8, 2011 21:43:31 GMT -5
Yes! I graduated high school in 94 so it's A big part of the soundtrack of my life. Loved grunge music, alternative, dance, r&b even some hip hop from that era So you didn't hate those bands for killing your 80's faves?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 8:32:10 GMT -5
Yes! I graduated high school in 94 so it's A big part of the soundtrack of my life. Loved grunge music, alternative, dance, r&b even some hip hop from that era So you didn't hate those bands for killing your 80's faves? When I hear people complain about that I always wonder if 70's fans bitched about Duran Duran killing their favorite bands in the early 80's. No, I didn't hate them. For one to hate the bands for replacing other bands is a pretty fucking retarded misplacement of hatred. It wasn't like Chris Cornell was sitting at A&M records deciding who got promotion and who didn't. The grunge bands were just guys playing music that spoke to them and trying to make something of a career out of it, the same as anyone else. If you want to hate someone then place that blame where it belongs...record companies, MTV execs, teenage fans, ect. but don't blame Nirvana, because it makes you sound like an idiot. Secondly, the 80's bands had no guarantee that their road was paved with gold just because they had success in the 80's. They and their fans (myself included) had no problem benefiting from the time that they were the flavor of the month. It was unrealistic to expect that to last forever. And I also call bullshit on it killing people's careers...because everyone that says that can point to a lot of albums that were "criminally ignored" by the rest of the world, so clearly bands that wanted to continue to release music could. They just weren't given the spotlight that they once were. Again, that happens. At 35 I am now somewhat stuck in my ways, as there aren't many new bands that I connect with. I'm not closed off to the possibility, and I'm still discovering bands, but the bands I get into now tend to have been around for a long time and I'm just finding out about them. I chalk this up to the fact that as a 35 year old mother of 3 I simply don't have much in common with the issues in a song from a 21 year old kid. I'm still not going to whine about not liking what's on the joke the charts have become...instead I'm going to just continue to seek out what I do find cool and focus on that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 8:42:38 GMT -5
GOing to have to agree with you for the most part.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 9, 2011 12:13:48 GMT -5
Trends don't last forever. Hear a lot of bullshit how "punk killed prog rock", no Rick Wakeman wearing silly capes and excessive wankery killed prog rock. "Grunge killed metal" no, shitty bands like Bang Tango killed metal. Once a genre becomes a parody of itself the writing is on the wall. Not the biggest 90s fan myself, though there is a lot to love. I think Spiritualized are one of the 10 greatest bands the world has ever known and should be a household name, LOL Ani Difranco is a huge favorite. I love Barenaked Ladies. Tori Amos is a big fave. Ummm, Tool and A Perfect Circle. Early Radiohead. Marillion came into their own in the 90s. Porcupine Tree of course. Awesome LA band called Lands End, LOL Bang Tango were GODS. How dare you besmirch their name.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 9, 2011 13:07:00 GMT -5
You're right. Bang Tango ruled. Danger Danger were also gods. I admit defeat. Did you have a problem with Tuff too?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 13:16:49 GMT -5
You're right. Bang Tango ruled. Danger Danger were also gods. I admit defeat. Did you have a problem with Tuff too? Forgive us, we know not what we do. ;D
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Post by DWF on Sept 11, 2011 20:13:43 GMT -5
When I hear people complain about that I always wonder if 70's fans bitched about Duran Duran killing their favorite bands in the early 80's. The 70's bands didn't go away though. They tended to be the headliners (still do) and the young upstart 80's acts would open. Room for everybody. The 90's (courtesy of radio and MTV) developed an 'all or nothing' approach. Bad business as far as I was concerned.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 11, 2011 20:42:53 GMT -5
I wonder how the 80's bands would have done if they released their heavier albums before essentially being forced to, because of the change in the musical climate. So if Warrant's Dog Eat Dog, or Winger's Pull for example - came out before alternative music told them they needed to change, would they have had a better chance to survive through the grunge years?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 11:08:51 GMT -5
When I hear people complain about that I always wonder if 70's fans bitched about Duran Duran killing their favorite bands in the early 80's. The 70's bands didn't go away though. They tended to be the headliners (still do) and the young upstart 80's acts would open. Room for everybody. The 90's (courtesy of radio and MTV) developed an 'all or nothing' approach. Bad business as far as I was concerned. I remember a lot of the bands that were big in the 70s and 80s headlining tours in the early 90s. Def Leppard, Guns N Roses, Van Halen, Pink Floyd, Metallica, Ozzy, Rush, Aerosmith, and Bon Jovi all headlined tours in the early 90's after Nirvana and Alice In Chains released their albums. So I guess at this point I’d have to ask you who you are thinking of when you say that the 80’s bands went away. By early 1991 you could see that Motley Crue, Poison, Ratt, Warrent, Tesla, Cinderella and Guns N Roses were all starting to unravel due to infighting and drug abuse. In 1992 it seemed like you'd hear about another hair band parting ways with a key member of their line ups. To the point where it was easier to keep track of bands that didn't have line up changes. That also had a huge impact on their downfalls.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 12, 2011 14:45:40 GMT -5
Isis is right, the vast majority of those 80s glam bands never would have had a second album in them anyway. Did anybody expect a band like Firehouse to grow as artists? Couple that with the fact these bands are full of idiots who took the sex and drugs part of the equation way too literally and you've got far too few brain cells left as a unit to do anything productive. Did Britny Fox really need to release a second album? If a band had any validity and had enough of a brain to keep things together they could weather the storm. Everybody jumping aboard the grunge train did little to add to their credibility, just showed how vacuous and devoid of any originality they really were. Is that Carnival Of Souls I smell coming up? You sound very feminie. Britney Fox and Firehouse RAWK!!!
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Post by DWF on Sept 12, 2011 18:41:49 GMT -5
The 70's bands didn't go away though. They tended to be the headliners (still do) and the young upstart 80's acts would open. Room for everybody. The 90's (courtesy of radio and MTV) developed an 'all or nothing' approach. Bad business as far as I was concerned. I remember a lot of the bands that were big in the 70s and 80s headlining tours in the early 90s. Def Leppard, Guns N Roses, Van Halen, Pink Floyd, Metallica, Ozzy, Rush, Aerosmith, and Bon Jovi all headlined tours in the early 90's after Nirvana and Alice In Chains released their albums. So I guess at this point I’d have to ask you who you are thinking of when you say that the 80’s bands went away. No, no. I was referring to your initial remark about 70's bands getting killed off by Duran Duran and the like in the 80's. That never happened in that era, but certainly hurt 70's and 80's acts later in the 90's. We saw a lot of the 70's (and 80's) band's take a huge backseat (and many lower tier late 80's acts killed off) due to the extremely limited "space" at radio and video outlets in the early to mid grunge 90's. I watched a lot of major 70's/80's acts take a beating on the road then: Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, KISS, Motley Crue, Styx, etc. play to 3,000 or less in 15,000 seat venues. Older acts like KISS tried to get bands like Helmet, Soundgarden, and Nirvana to open the REVENGE tour. All passed for other touring situations and you see what we got with the likes of Trixter and Faster Pussycat (!?!?!?) lol I watched Def Leppard play a string of dates to 4,000 or 5,000 in large sheds. Promoters shook their heads. Same for the Crue. Too much narrowing of the scope at radio and video hurt older established acts for awhile. They had to weather a fairly lengthy dry spell.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 19:18:05 GMT -5
I remember a lot of the bands that were big in the 70s and 80s headlining tours in the early 90s. Def Leppard, Guns N Roses, Van Halen, Pink Floyd, Metallica, Ozzy, Rush, Aerosmith, and Bon Jovi all headlined tours in the early 90's after Nirvana and Alice In Chains released their albums. So I guess at this point I’d have to ask you who you are thinking of when you say that the 80’s bands went away. No, no. I was referring to your initial remark about 70's bands getting killed off by Duran Duran and the like in the 80's. That never happened in that era, but certainly hurt 70's and 80's acts later in the 90's. We saw a lot of the 70's (and 80's) band's take a huge backseat (and many lower tier late 80's acts killed off) due to the extremely limited "space" at radio and video outlets in the early to mid grunge 90's. I watched a lot of major 70's/80's acts take a beating on the road then: Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, KISS, Motley Crue, Styx, etc. play to 3,000 or less in 15,000 seat venues. Older acts like KISS tried to get bands like Helmet, Soundgarden, and Nirvana to open the REVENGE tour. All passed for other touring situations and you see what we got with the likes of Trixter and Faster Pussycat (!?!?!?) lol I watched Def Leppard play a string of dates to 4,000 or 5,000 in large sheds. Promoters shook their heads. Same for the Crue. Too much narrowing of the scope at radio and video hurt older established acts for awhile. They had to weather a fairly lengthy dry spell. Well there is no doubt that the changes in MTV and radio didn't help. But honestly as a teenager in the early 90s I have to say a lot of it just came down to a generation gap. A lot of these bands had a great run but by the time I was in high school a lot of these bands had been around for 10-15 years, some longer. Their fans had simply grown up...gotten jobs and families and mortgages. They didn't put going to the big rock show as high on their list of priorities anymore. And the fun party vibe of a lot of these bands didn't really reflect what was going on with our generation.
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Post by DWF on Sept 12, 2011 20:30:48 GMT -5
No, no. I was referring to your initial remark about 70's bands getting killed off by Duran Duran and the like in the 80's. That never happened in that era, but certainly hurt 70's and 80's acts later in the 90's. We saw a lot of the 70's (and 80's) band's take a huge backseat (and many lower tier late 80's acts killed off) due to the extremely limited "space" at radio and video outlets in the early to mid grunge 90's. I watched a lot of major 70's/80's acts take a beating on the road then: Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, KISS, Motley Crue, Styx, etc. play to 3,000 or less in 15,000 seat venues. Older acts like KISS tried to get bands like Helmet, Soundgarden, and Nirvana to open the REVENGE tour. All passed for other touring situations and you see what we got with the likes of Trixter and Faster Pussycat (!?!?!?) lol I watched Def Leppard play a string of dates to 4,000 or 5,000 in large sheds. Promoters shook their heads. Same for the Crue. Too much narrowing of the scope at radio and video hurt older established acts for awhile. They had to weather a fairly lengthy dry spell. Well there is no doubt that the changes in MTV and radio didn't help. But honestly as a teenager in the early 90s I have to say a lot of it just came down to a generation gap. A lot of these bands had a great run but by the time I was in high school a lot of these bands had been around for 10-15 years, some longer. Their fans had simply grown up...gotten jobs and families and mortgages. They didn't put going to the big rock show as high on their list of priorities anymore. And the fun party vibe of a lot of these bands didn't really reflect what was going on with our generation. Sure, it's played a part in EVERY era of music, but an imposed "stumbling block" from the industry over grunge was more of an issue than people "growing out" of these acts. (i.e. Look at the astronomical ticket costs and huge draws in this terrible economy even now. Families still manage to go to shows and often.) Meanwhile, the roles have reversed and the "limitations" have dissolved somewhat at least - the only real grunge survivors left were three majors (PJ, SG, & AIC) and all the big 70's and 80's acts have returned with the highest grossing tours of their careers for the last 10-15 years. Hence Petty, Jovi, Metallica, Springsteen, U2, Van Halen, KISS, Iron Maiden, The Eagles, Aerosmith, Rush, The Who, The Stones, etc. all dominating the touring market since, drawing fans of all ages. It's easier for a successful long term act to maintain (and survive) when all acts are "allowed" to thrive and prosper.
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Post by flexlufful on Sept 13, 2011 0:31:17 GMT -5
Nah, you are just a stupid fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 1:29:49 GMT -5
Nah, you are just a stupid fuck. Yes
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 13, 2011 1:47:25 GMT -5
Nah, you are just a stupid fuck. Yes I think he needs for us to spell it out for him or draw him a map - he just doesn't get it no matter which website he goes to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 9:30:09 GMT -5
Well there is no doubt that the changes in MTV and radio didn't help. But honestly as a teenager in the early 90s I have to say a lot of it just came down to a generation gap. A lot of these bands had a great run but by the time I was in high school a lot of these bands had been around for 10-15 years, some longer. Their fans had simply grown up...gotten jobs and families and mortgages. They didn't put going to the big rock show as high on their list of priorities anymore. And the fun party vibe of a lot of these bands didn't really reflect what was going on with our generation. Sure, it's played a part in EVERY era of music, but an imposed "stumbling block" from the industry over grunge was more of an issue than people "growing out" of these acts. (i.e. Look at the astronomical ticket costs and huge draws in this terrible economy even now. Families still manage to go to shows and often.) Meanwhile, the roles have reversed and the "limitations" have dissolved somewhat at least - the only real grunge survivors left were three majors (PJ, SG, & AIC) and all the big 70's and 80's acts have returned with the highest grossing tours of their careers for the last 10-15 years. Hence Petty, Jovi, Metallica, Springsteen, U2, Van Halen, KISS, Iron Maiden, The Eagles, Aerosmith, Rush, The Who, The Stones, etc. all dominating the touring market since, drawing fans of all ages. It's easier for a successful long term act to maintain (and survive) when all acts are "allowed" to thrive and prosper. But therein is the flaw in the logic that radio and MTV imposed roadblocks is what led to the problems 70's and 80's bands had in selling tickets/albums in the 90's. Once the media jumped ship they never reboarded. So if their lack of sales were directly attributable to lack of air time then it would be illogical for those same bands that couldn't sell out in the mid 90s to go back sell out a few years later, which they did. I'm not suggesting that people growing out of the earlier bands was the only reason that they had poor attendance and album sales, nor am I saying that the changes in the industry had nothing to do with it. I'm saying that there were a lot of reasons some earlier bands had trouble selling in the 90s, and the changes were only one part of that, along with the aging of their fan base, the lack of interest in picking up new fans, internal problems within bands, albums that weren't very good...ect. A whole lot played into their problems. Which makes hating Nirvana for "killing" your 80s band pretty fuckall dumb. The grunge scene met the same fate that the hair band scene did, as did the industrial bands after them...and all for the same reason...their time as a trend was over. And like with the 80s bands the great bands from the era survived and the shit bands fell into obscurity, as they should. The difference is I've never heard Eddie Vedder pull a Joe Elliot and bitch that Maynard or Rob Zombie killed his career like he was owed success for the rest of his life. Oh totally as an aside, I went with my husband to a Styx show labor day weekend. I was easily 20 years younger than the average person in that crowd! John was distraught!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 9:31:01 GMT -5
I think he needs for us to spell it out for him or draw him a map - he just doesn't get it no matter which website he goes to. That's not him, it's his brother, sister and coworkers who crash on his couch, get with the program! If you had to pay the property taxes on houses in Beverly Hills and elsewhere do you think you would own more than one computer?!? Of course not! He didn't get all those houses by buying everyone a computer of their own you know!
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Post by DWF on Sept 13, 2011 10:24:38 GMT -5
Oh totally as an aside, I went with my husband to a Styx show labor day weekend. I was easily 20 years younger than the average person in that crowd! [/img] [/quote] Cool. What did you guys think of them? (Their playing and harmonies are ridiculous in recent years - great live band.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 11:08:02 GMT -5
Oh totally as an aside, I went with my husband to a Styx show labor day weekend. I was easily 20 years younger than the average person in that crowd! [/img] [/quote] Cool. What did you guys think of them? (Their playing and harmonies are ridiculous in recent years - great live band.)[/quote] Well they are one of John's favorite bands since he was a kid so he was in heaven since they played some songs that are apparently rarely find their way into setlists. I've never been a fan, but I honestly thought their show was fantastic. They sounded great and came across like they were having a good time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 11:45:01 GMT -5
You know, I'm noticing that we are spending more time talking about 80's bands than 90's bands in the 90's thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 11:53:04 GMT -5
a very interesting discussion.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 13, 2011 13:14:53 GMT -5
You know, I'm noticing that we are spending more time talking about 80's bands than 90's bands in the 90's thread. Because 90s bands suck (for the most part.) ODIN! ODIN!, ODIN!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 13:57:37 GMT -5
Because 90s bands suck (for the most part.) ODIN! ODIN!, ODIN! That made me choke on my water!
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 13, 2011 14:07:42 GMT -5
That made me choke on my water! I was hoping that the reference wasn't too obscure.
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