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Jan 10, 2015 16:04:47 GMT -5
Post by Nightflight77 on Jan 10, 2015 16:04:47 GMT -5
Ah yes...I could talk about that period for hours. I miss the great artists of the 70's and 80's...Neal Adams, George Perez, early Carmine Infantino, Mike Grell. I absolutely hated the Image artists and and that whole style...especially Rob "I can't draw feet" Liefeld. I did like Jim Lee...but that whole style invaded DC and Marvel and I don't think comics ever fully recovered. Yeah, not too warm on the Todd McFarlane period onward and that style either. I like Jim Lee ok. All the fucking HUGE panels. No one tells a story anymore. Nearly every page looks like a splash page or maybe there’s three panels. Big contrast to the George Perez days. Of the oldies, the only one you mentioned that I was not a fan of was Carmine. Eh. I really dug Perez a bunch. Bob Layton's Iron Man was beautiful. Neal Adams was a GOD among men and while I wasn’t a big fan of Batman as a comic back then (loved Miller’s Dark Knight though…and the character in general), his work was impeccable. I was especially thrilled with his run of work on the X-Men. It’s too bad that was during their low (and soon-to-be-canceled) period. I also would have loved to have seen him work on the “new” X-Men starting with #94. Never was much of a Dave Cockrum fan, rest his soul. That book took a serious turn with Byrne, who is probably my favorite artist. While he’s a bit of shit now (and ever since jumping to DC in fact…his proportions blow), in his prime (and best with Terry Austin) he was fantastic. I loved Frank Miller’s style. His DD work was the best. Like Byrne with Austin, Miller really excelled with Klaus Jansen (a good artist in his own right). Gets a little weird on Dark Knight and Ronin, but I still enjoy his work even there….even if a bit more eccentric at that point. Another odd bird I loved was Bill Sienkiewicz…from Moon Knight to The New Mutants. His work beyond that (Elektra onward) gets really strange, but still pretty compelling stuff. I dug the workhorses too….Romitas Sr. & Jr. were both quite fine. Loved Walt Simonson’s Thor…the whole Beta Ray Bill stuff. Even Gil Kane. Of the old school guys I still have a HUGE soft spot for Steve Ditko and especially on Spider-Man. I just think that look so fit the character. It’s strange because I’m not much of a Dr. Strange Ditko fan….or much like his work on other titles, but his Spider-Man stuff is just fucking great. If I were to reach for a comic run RIGHT NOW it would either be Bryne/Austin's period from the 120s through Dark Phoenix (137)....or the whole Lee/Ditko run on Spider-Man. Never get tired of them. 100% agree. great post.
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Jan 10, 2015 16:05:36 GMT -5
Post by R&ROVER on Jan 10, 2015 16:05:36 GMT -5
He was a breath of fresh air after Cockrum relieved Bryne (UGH!!!!) at issue 145. Man talk about sleeping with your old girlfriend. Smith was a fantastic style switch. I didn't even mind the Romita Jr. period of X-Man after Paul Smith. Then I pretty much just fell off the comic book planet after that. You should have seen my room. I had a second bedroom JUST FOR MY COMIC BOOKS and posters and buttons and tapestries. While it sounds weird, my dad and I shared a room (he was gone til after I was asleep - worked late nights bartending) and the other room in the apartment was for my comics and his gun safe. We were men of hobbies I tell you. There wasn't room for a bed. Fort my taste the X-men Byrne/Austin run was perfect as you can get. Perfect story arcs and art work. Cockrum almost destroyed the X-men to me but I kept reading them. For me too. Big step backward after Byrne. Smith's arrival excited me.
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Jan 10, 2015 16:07:14 GMT -5
Post by Nightflight77 on Jan 10, 2015 16:07:14 GMT -5
Fort my taste the X-men Byrne/Austin run was perfect as you can get. Perfect story arcs and art work. Cockrum almost destroyed the X-men to me but I kept reading them. For me too. Big step backward after Byrne. Smith's arrival excited me. Yes Smith was great...not Byrne but I liked his work. Man haven't thought about his work in a long time.
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Jan 10, 2015 16:08:52 GMT -5
Post by R&ROVER on Jan 10, 2015 16:08:52 GMT -5
X-MEN # 101 // 1st App. PHOENIX // HIGH GRADE // NM- is the most valuable comic I have but I haven't checked the McFarlene / Marvel issue value in while. Good one. I've got 2 or 3 copies of most issues from 94 onward (still have 3 of those!!)...including Giant Size X-men #1, their first appearance. Was such a HUGE Chris Claremont era fan of this book. Brings back memories.
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Jan 10, 2015 16:10:33 GMT -5
Post by R&ROVER on Jan 10, 2015 16:10:33 GMT -5
For me too. Big step backward after Byrne. Smith's arrival excited me. Yes Smith was great...not Byrne but I liked his work. Man haven't thought about his work in a long time. Yeah Byrne was superior. Just a fantastic team. The only thing close from that same era (for me) was Miller's Daredevil.
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Jan 10, 2015 16:12:33 GMT -5
Post by Nightflight77 on Jan 10, 2015 16:12:33 GMT -5
Yes Smith was great...not Byrne but I liked his work. Man haven't thought about his work in a long time. Yeah Byrne was superior. Just a fantastic team. The only thing close from that same era (for me) was Miller's Daredevil. Millers Dark Knight was epic also.
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Jan 10, 2015 16:15:09 GMT -5
Post by R&ROVER on Jan 10, 2015 16:15:09 GMT -5
Yeah Byrne was superior. Just a fantastic team. The only thing close from that same era (for me) was Miller's Daredevil. Millers Dark Knight was epic also. Indeed. Man that series was huge. Just ridiculous hype (deserved). I also really liked his Ronin series.
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Jan 10, 2015 16:43:48 GMT -5
Post by Nightflight77 on Jan 10, 2015 16:43:48 GMT -5
X-MEN # 101 // 1st App. PHOENIX // HIGH GRADE // NM- is the most valuable comic I have but I haven't checked the McFarlene / Marvel issue value in while. Good one. I've got 2 or 3 copies of most issues from 94 onward (still have 3 of those!!)...including Giant Size X-men #1, their first appearance. Was such a HUGE Chris Claremont era fan of this book. Brings back memories. WHAT? Giant Size X-men #1 goes for US $6,750.00. Damn that's so cool. Do you have 2-3 of the Byrne/Austin run?
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Jan 10, 2015 16:52:00 GMT -5
Post by R&ROVER on Jan 10, 2015 16:52:00 GMT -5
Good one. I've got 2 or 3 copies of most issues from 94 onward (still have 3 of those!!)...including Giant Size X-men #1, their first appearance. Was such a HUGE Chris Claremont era fan of this book. Brings back memories. WHAT? Giant Size X-men #1 goes for US $6,750.00. Damn that's so cool. Do you have 2-3 of the Byrne/Austin run? Oh yes...all or nearly all of them. 94-thru the Romita Jr. Run. Doubles...triples. I had four copues of 94 and gifted one to a dear friend...(signed by Claremont when I met him). Is GS 1 worth that much?!? Bloody fucking hell! What's 94 fetch today?
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Jan 10, 2015 18:58:18 GMT -5
Post by Nightflight77 on Jan 10, 2015 18:58:18 GMT -5
WHAT? Giant Size X-men #1 goes for US $6,750.00. Damn that's so cool. Do you have 2-3 of the Byrne/Austin run? Oh yes...all or nearly all of them. 94-thru the Romita Jr. Run. Doubles...triples. I had four copues of 94 and gifted one to a dear friend...(signed by Claremont when I met him). Is GS 1 worth that much?!? Bloody fucking hell! What's 94 fetch today? #94 not so much. If you want to ever let go of the X-men Byrne comics let me know what you want for them.
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Jan 10, 2015 19:15:14 GMT -5
Post by R&ROVER on Jan 10, 2015 19:15:14 GMT -5
Will do...!
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Post by B5Erik on Jan 10, 2015 23:03:41 GMT -5
I still think this panel is the best thing Steve Ditko ever did, and I sometimes wonder if someone else inked it. It's a little more detailed than his usual work, and the proportions look better, too. If he really did this one all by himself (and he may very well have) then it is the finest work of his career, IMO. An inker wouldn't change the art proportions that Dikto drew. There were a couple guys that were known to really clean up pencil art when they inked it - Joltin' Joe Sinnott and Jazzy John Romita. Granted, with proportions they would only make slight changes, but they were great at smoothing out rough edges while simultaneously adding a little detail.
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Jan 10, 2015 23:15:47 GMT -5
Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2015 23:15:47 GMT -5
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Jan 10, 2015 23:34:26 GMT -5
Post by Nightflight77 on Jan 10, 2015 23:34:26 GMT -5
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Jan 11, 2015 8:42:11 GMT -5
Post by R&ROVER on Jan 11, 2015 8:42:11 GMT -5
Big fan of Byrne's Alpha Flight (less so after Mike Mignola took over) and liked them going back to their first appearances inthe X-Men. #12 was a big issue for us fans. Pretty shocking stuff at the time to kill a major character so early into a new series.
Interestingly enough my son is named Jaxon with the spelling inspired by nemesis Jerome Jaxon. First time I'd ever seen that spelling and loved it. Kept it in mind when considering baby names 12 years later.
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Post by Cducharme on Jan 11, 2015 8:52:35 GMT -5
Hah, my god sons name is jaxon as well
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Jan 11, 2015 12:26:59 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 12:26:59 GMT -5
I am sure only Canadians dug it, but what did you guys think at the time of John Byrne's Alpha Flight. That's a Marvel movie that I want which they can crossover with the X-Men. Alpha Flight was for Canadian pussies. Just kidding...I really dug those issues...some great stuff from Byrne. Hey, you notice my Canadian hat? (got it at Whistler)
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Jan 11, 2015 15:15:56 GMT -5
Post by lugnut on Jan 11, 2015 15:15:56 GMT -5
Our friend's little boy that stayed with us last year is named Jaxon, too. Weird.
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Jan 11, 2015 17:18:01 GMT -5
Post by Hey Man on Jan 11, 2015 17:18:01 GMT -5
I thought Alpha Flight started to take a nose dive when Bill Mantlo took over with issue 24 or something. John Byrne didn't do Alpha Flight very long.
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Post by R&ROVER on Jan 11, 2015 18:18:20 GMT -5
Bryne was a bit of a fickle bitch. Very creative and hugely talented, but pretty easily bored after his long X-Men run. AF was his creation. It's too bad he couldn't stick with it longer.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 11, 2015 18:45:12 GMT -5
A friend of mine sent me this quote from Bryne a few weeks ago and it crushed my heart since I was such a huge fan of Alpha Flight:
John Bryne: Alpha Flight was never much fun. The characters were created merely to survive a fight with the X-Men, and I never thought about them having their own title. When Marvel finally cajoled me into doing Alpha Flight, I realized how incredibly two-dimensional they were, and spend some twenty-eight issues trying to find ways to correct this fault. Nothing really sang for me. If I have any regrets, it would probably be that I did the book at all! It was not a good time for me.
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Jan 11, 2015 20:31:04 GMT -5
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Post by R&ROVER on Jan 11, 2015 20:31:04 GMT -5
Unfortunate
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Jan 11, 2015 20:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by R&ROVER on Jan 11, 2015 20:31:50 GMT -5
I liked his FF stint second to the X-Men run. Really breathed life into that series.
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Post by Anomacunt the Excellent on Jan 11, 2015 20:34:53 GMT -5
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Jan 11, 2015 20:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by R&ROVER on Jan 11, 2015 20:38:39 GMT -5
My kid is 17 years older than this skit.
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Jan 12, 2015 1:29:18 GMT -5
Post by lugnut on Jan 12, 2015 1:29:18 GMT -5
My kid is 17 years older than this skit. If you ever have another, it better be named Ozamataz Buckshank.
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Jan 12, 2015 8:08:47 GMT -5
Post by R&ROVER on Jan 12, 2015 8:08:47 GMT -5
My kid is 17 years older than this skit. If you ever have another, it better be named Ozamataz Buckshank. I was thinking Tyvarius Travarious EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE personally.
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Jan 12, 2015 23:51:02 GMT -5
Post by Nightflight77 on Jan 12, 2015 23:51:02 GMT -5
Did anyone get into the X-men #19 / Kubert / Pennington
Talk about hiding hands and feet? I never noticed before.
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