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Post by CaboChris on Apr 7, 2017 12:55:33 GMT -5
What are your favorite Van Hagar songs? Best Of Both Worlds 5150 Sucker In A 3 Piece Good Enough I like it all and I'm particularly fond of their poppier side as well. |
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 21, 2017 23:09:56 GMT -5
Blackwell,
What are your favorite songs and rank the albums?
Why is Van Hagar better than the Roth era?
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Post by Steve on Sept 21, 2017 23:57:35 GMT -5
Why is Van Hagar better than the Roth era? Because Sammy can carry a tune and follow a melody. DLR is a great showman but a terrible singer. I'm happy this thread has reappeared as I'm looking for some Van Hagar singles to complete my collection. Top of the list at the moment is the promo version of Don't Tell Me that has both the single edit (3'52") and the video version (4':46"). I also need the edit version of Amsterdam that came in a limited edition tin. |
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Sept 22, 2017 0:42:01 GMT -5
Blackwell, What are your favorite songs and rank the albums? Why is Van Hagar better than the Roth era? They are all really good and unique in their own way. Having an actual singer in the band expanded Eddie's songwriting tremendously, as did Hagar's lyrics. The party vibe songs were still present, but songs like Mine All Mine and Right Now could never have been written with Roth. In addition, the ballads were magnificent. You know I love 'love' songs, and they have countless great ones - Love Walks In, When It's Love, Feels So Good. 5150 was like a kid on Christmas playing with a new toy. They were having more fun than even they thought possible; but there was even better on the horizon. 0U812 was the one I paid the least attention to, but currently is my favorite. It's such a mature album musically, lyrically, and performance wise. There was no over-playing, and so many adventurous excursions that all worked. Mine All Mine is darned near perfect. When It's Love - all those key changes, Eddie are you kidding? Finish What Ya Started - not an absolute favorite, but it just shows the confidence the band had in their musicianship, writing a country-tinged, chicken pickin' tune. Feels So Good is the underrated song in the Van Halen canon. They could release that song today and it'd be a smash. By this stage, Van Halen had already left Roth and his goofy videos and sophomoric songs so far behind, they'd have needed a telescope to see him. F.U.C.K. - Just when you think there's no way the band could hit another grand slam home run, they did. Poundcake is just phenomenal, everything about it. Top of the World might as well have been autobiographical, as that's where they were. And Right Now - holy smoke, Eddie is now a better songwriter than guitar player. And his lead playing is among his best ever; he has nothing to prove to anyone, and plays a bluesy solo that still sounds just like Eddie, even without the pyrotechnics. Eddie's technique was so jaw-dropping, it got all the pub. But his phrasing is among the best in the history of rock and roll. Balance - Nothing lasts forever, and the rock music landscape was drastically different. But this is still excellent work, with a beefy sound and tight groove. Seventh Seal is one of the best songs of this lineup, and that groove at the beginning is superb. The jangly guitar bits almost sound like mid 80's Rush. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 15:11:45 GMT -5
Apparently!
In response to this thread, which I think I may have said in some posts a few pages before, I liked 5150. Didn't care for much beyond that. They sold a gang load of records though, so my opinion means squat.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 22, 2017 15:24:07 GMT -5
Apparently! In response to this thread, which I think I may have said in some posts a few pages before, I liked 5150. Didn't care for much beyond that. They sold a gang load of records though, so my opinion means squat. We still have D'Molls to bring us together. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2017 20:13:15 GMT -5
This song deserves more love. It was the best thing about Twister.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 22, 2017 21:28:36 GMT -5
Blackwell, What are your favorite songs and rank the albums? Why is Van Hagar better than the Roth era? They are all really good and unique in their own way. Having an actual singer in the band expanded Eddie's songwriting tremendously, as did Hagar's lyrics. The party vibe songs were still present, but songs like Mine All Mine and Right Now could never have been written with Roth. In addition, the ballads were magnificent. You know I love 'love' songs, and they have countless great ones - Love Walks In, When It's Love, Feels So Good. 5150 was like a kid on Christmas playing with a new toy. They were having more fun than even they thought possible; but there was even better on the horizon. 0U812 was the one I paid the least attention to, but currently is my favorite. It's such a mature album musically, lyrically, and performance wise. There was no over-playing, and so many adventurous excursions that all worked. Mine All Mine is darned near perfect. When It's Love - all those key changes, Eddie are you kidding? Finish What Ya Started - not an absolute favorite, but it just shows the confidence the band had in their musicianship, writing a country-tinged, chicken pickin' tune. Feels So Good is the underrated song in the Van Halen canon. They could release that song today and it'd be a smash. By this stage, Van Halen had already left Roth and his goofy videos and sophomoric songs so far behind, they'd have needed a telescope to see him. F.U.C.K. - Just when you think there's no way the band could hit another grand slam home run, they did. Poundcake is just phenomenal, everything about it. Top of the World might as well have been autobiographical, as that's where they were. And Right Now - holy smoke, Eddie is now a better songwriter than guitar player. And his lead playing is among his best ever; he has nothing to prove to anyone, and plays a bluesy solo that still sounds just like Eddie, even without the pyrotechnics. Eddie's technique was so jaw-dropping, it got all the pub. But his phrasing is among the best in the history of rock and roll. Balance - Nothing lasts forever, and the rock music landscape was drastically different. But this is still excellent work, with a beefy sound and tight groove. Seventh Seal is one of the best songs of this lineup, and that groove at the beginning is superb. The jangly guitar bits almost sound like mid 80's Rush. I still don't understand people who actually think Eat Em And Smile was better than 5150. It's not even a Dave vs. Sammy issue, but the fact that the songwriting is pretty awful, Vai is soulless like he was with Whitesnake and the album is full of filler. One can hate Van Hagar and think they were too commercial, but they buried Roth's solo career and band in every conceivable way. Of course Roth didn't help things with pathetic stuff like this: images2.houstonpress.com/imager/u/original/6771237/7959779.0.jpgI would rank the Sammy era: 5150 OU812 (almost a tie with 5150 - LOVE CABO WABO) Balance FUCK I also think Van Halen have never sounded better as a band - including the original era, than the sound and tone on Balance, Humans Being and even Me Wise Magic. Thick, beefy, tight - just like you said. Just on a whole other level compared to the original band. |
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 22, 2017 21:31:43 GMT -5
Why is Van Hagar better than the Roth era? Because Sammy can carry a tune and follow a melody. DLR is a great showman but a terrible singer. I'm happy this thread has reappeared as I'm looking for some Van Hagar singles to complete my collection. Top of the list at the moment is the promo version of Don't Tell Me that has both the single edit (3'52") and the video version (4':46"). I also need the edit version of Amsterdam that came in a limited edition tin. I will keep a look out for you, but I never really understood wanting edited versions of songs, usually because the edited version is terrible and cuts off great moments in the full song. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2017 22:26:12 GMT -5
I'm a completist. If I know it exists, I must haves it.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 22, 2017 22:34:46 GMT -5
I'm a completist. If I know it exists, I must haves it. Even Peter Criss solo album for KISS? |
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2017 22:56:41 GMT -5
One can hate Van Hagar and think they were too commercial, but they buried Roth's solo career and band in every conceivable way. I had almost zero interest in Dave as a solo artist and found his schtick almost embarrassing. I thought Just Like Paradise was quite good, but not enough to get me to buy Skyscraper. By contrast, I thrashed my OU812 tape to death when it was new. Say what you will about Ed nowadays, he brought the best out of the singers he worked with. With the exception of Marching To Mars, neither Dave's nor Sammy's solo efforts do much for me. Being part of VH forced them to pull their socks up. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2017 22:59:04 GMT -5
Even Peter Criss solo album for KISS? Peter who? Three songs on Best Of The Solo Albums was enough to scar me for life, thank you. Whoever told that feline faced fool he could sing? |
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 22, 2017 23:27:08 GMT -5
One can hate Van Hagar and think they were too commercial, but they buried Roth's solo career and band in every conceivable way. I had almost zero interest in Dave as a solo artist and found his schtick almost embarrassing. I thought Just Like Paradise was quite good, but not enough to get me to buy Skyscraper. By contrast, I thrashed my OU812 tape to death when it was new. Say what you will about Ed nowadays, he brought the best out of the singers he worked with. With the exception of Marching To Mars, neither Dave's nor Sammy's solo efforts do much for me. Being part of VH forced them to pull their socks up. I still love those Japan versions of 5150 and OU812 you gave me - listen all the time. I will concede that Hagar has been horrible outside of Marching since getting fired from Van Halen - but Montrose is every bit as good as Van Halen and he did some great stuff prior to VH, including Standing Hampton, HSAS and this rules: I wish VH played this live over Can't Drive 55. |
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 22, 2017 23:28:59 GMT -5
Even Peter Criss solo album for KISS? Peter who? Three songs on Best Of The Solo Albums was enough to scar me for life, thank you. Whoever told that feline faced fool he could sing? KISS were 4 STARS in one band. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 22, 2017 23:29:29 GMT -5
The poppier side of Van Hagar (eg Dreams, Love Walks In, When It's Love, Feels So Good, Can't Stop Lovin' You, Not Enough) is the one aspect I don't care for. Several of those are by-the-numbers bids for radio play and mainstream success, plus the lyrics turn my stomach.
VH always had that tendency though. As far back as the first album there's stuff like Jamie's Cryin' and Feel Your Love Tonight, then Dance The Night Away and Beautiful Girls. 1984 brought it to the forefront with the introduction of keyboards and the blatant chart chasing of Jump and I'll Wait. If people blame Sammy for that, they're not paying attention.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Sept 22, 2017 23:41:13 GMT -5
First off, I agree with Steve on Humans Being. That's the first song on my Van Hagar playlist. And while DLR's Just Like Paradise is OK, it's worth noting that song, which many find as one of the best of Roth's solo material, is one of the few songs Vai didn't co-write.
I agree on Vai, Hey Man. Roth went purely for style over substance. In all the fuss made over Eddie's lead playing, people forget he is among the most prolific and successful songwriters and riff-creators in rock history. Roth obviously didn't consider that in the least when trying to replace him.
And I don't have the fortitude to quote your thread; I don't need to see Roth sticking his ass in the camera again.
Look I get it that when a band as seminal and popular as Van Halen parts ways with their singer, fans are going to take sides. But I think it's selective memory for people siding with Roth to say Van Hagar was 'ball-less.' It's not like songs like Going Crazy, Just Like Paradise, the truly godawful Stand Up, and Roth's cartoonish covers of lounge act fare like That's Life and I'm Easy, were dripping with testosterone.
And we won't even get into Roth's idiotic videos. A young friend once asked me after seeing them, "Wow, was that ever actually cool?"
Simple answer - "No."
And geez that whole hullabaloo about yoga pants a while back. I'd MUCH rather see them on women at the mall than on David Lee Roth, Steve Vai, and Billy Sheehan, all wiggling around like they have ants in their pants while playing a 'ball-less' song.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 22, 2017 23:41:52 GMT -5
The poppier side of Van Hagar (eg Dreams, Love Walks In, When It's Love, Feels So Good, Can't Stop Lovin' You, Not Enough) is the one aspect I don't care for. Several of those are by-the-numbers bids for radio play and mainstream success, plus the lyrics turn my stomach. VH always had that tendency though. As far back as the first album there's stuff like Jamie's Cryin' and Feel Your Love Tonight, then Dance The Night Away and Beautiful Girls. 1984 brought it to the forefront with the introduction of keyboards and the blatant chart chasing of Jump and I'll Wait. If people blame Sammy for that, they're not paying attention. I can understand that - I am not a fan really of Whitesnake songs like Is This Love, The Deeper The Love, etc. I think Dreams is a great song though and When It's Love works for the album. Cant' Stop is fucking terrible though and should have never been on the album. Yes - stupid VH fans don't seem to understand that Eddie wanted the band to go into a more commercial direction and it's no surprise that Foreigner's Mick Jones was involved with 5150. The change in style had nothing to do with Sammy. It would have happened no matter who took over for Roth. I actually think Eddie prefers the Hagar era style of music. Why else would he want Mitch Malloy in the band at one point. There was no way that he was bringing back the classic era sound/style. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 23, 2017 0:36:34 GMT -5
I actually think Eddie prefers the Hagar era style of music. Yep. My favourite track on ADKOT, which is also one of few not reworked from an old demo, sounds like a Sammy era song with Dave singing. |
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Post by CaboChris on Dec 3, 2017 10:18:25 GMT -5
I'm over Hagar. All I want is some rarities at this point.
I defended him for so long and he just never STFU about VH. The dude was actually crying about not getting a happy 70th birthday wish from Ed and in the same breath as the loss of a grandson.
Hagar knows VH was his crowning achievement and it's killing him that they're going to ride off into the sunset next year without even an acknowledgment of him.
Having said that...OU812 is the best of Sam Halen. Their most diverse. That lineup is 5150 to FUCK for me. Balance? Meh. Accept for the pop perfect CSLY.
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Post by Hey Man on Dec 3, 2017 13:11:39 GMT -5
I'm over Hagar. All I want is some rarities at this point. I defended him for so long and he just never STFU about VH. The dude was actually crying about not getting a happy 70th birthday wish from Ed and in the same breath as the loss of a grandson. Hagar knows VH was his crowning achievement and it's killing him that they're going to ride off into the sunset next year without even an acknowledgment of him. Having said that...OU812 is the best of Sam Halen. Their most diverse. That lineup is 5150 to FUCK for me. Balance? Meh. Accept for the pop perfect CSLY. Van Halen is a fucking mess anyway these days and no one is dying for more with Roth anyway when it comes to the general public. I don't think a new album or tour would do that well and Roth is kind of a mess. Like I told you before - no one wants to make the first move regarding Eddie and Sammy and that is quite pathetic, especially since neither are getting any younger. CSYL is one of the worst songs ever. So much better stuff on Balance. |
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 11, 2023 22:44:06 GMT -5
While I have yet to hear the new remastered albums, the word on the street is that this package is terrible. From the packaging to the remastered albums. I was really hoping for a brand new sounding 0U812, since it was produced/mixed so badly originally.
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