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Post by Hey Man on Apr 21, 2012 16:52:24 GMT -5
In the NFL, they will have many different options when it comes to hiring a new coach and they can pick who they want. When the only other option is Mitt Romney, Obama looks pretty damn good. Ummmm.... No. Obama is the classic example of an academic who can't DO. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Obama's a teacher. And his economic and political philosophies are naive to say the least. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, or that he's intending to do harm to the country or the economy, but the end result is that he is making things worse rather than better more often than not. Maybe you should look at the thread again of all the things that Obama has done. The problem is that you just don't care about those things like a liberal or Democrat might. In addition, let's see how Obama does in his second term before we come to any official conclusion. He wouldn't be the first President to have a stronger second term.
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Post by B5Erik on Apr 21, 2012 17:47:04 GMT -5
Ummmm.... No. Obama is the classic example of an academic who can't DO. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Obama's a teacher. And his economic and political philosophies are naive to say the least. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, or that he's intending to do harm to the country or the economy, but the end result is that he is making things worse rather than better more often than not. Maybe you should look at the thread again of all the things that Obama has done. The problem is that you just don't care about those things like a liberal or Democrat might. In addition, let's see how Obama does in his second term before we come to any official conclusion. He wouldn't be the first President to have a stronger second term. He would just be the first in at least half a century. Every two term President since Eisenhower has had a weaker 2nd term than his first. And before that Truman and FDR didn't exactly make things better with their second terms, either. Obama unchecked is a bad thing. Remember, these liberal programs are like drugs. Once the public gets on them they can't get off. They're addicted. Regardless of whether or not it turns the country into Greece or Spain. Which those policies will.
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 22, 2012 0:26:13 GMT -5
Maybe you should look at the thread again of all the things that Obama has done. The problem is that you just don't care about those things like a liberal or Democrat might. In addition, let's see how Obama does in his second term before we come to any official conclusion. He wouldn't be the first President to have a stronger second term. He would just be the first in at least half a century. Every two term President since Eisenhower has had a weaker 2nd term than his first. And before that Truman and FDR didn't exactly make things better with their second terms, either. Obama unchecked is a bad thing. Remember, these liberal programs are like drugs. Once the public gets on them they can't get off. They're addicted. Regardless of whether or not it turns the country into Greece or Spain. Which those policies will. Well you don't really have a choice - since he is going to get a second term and for me, I am hoping that the true liberal shines through this time - since he doesn't have to worry about a third term. I think we may get the real Obama that Democrats and liberals will love, but you probably won't.
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Post by copronymos on Apr 22, 2012 1:24:23 GMT -5
It would be suicide for the Democratic Party if Obama let his true liberal show through. There wouldn't be a Democrat president for 2 decades.
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Post by Playback on Apr 22, 2012 2:17:49 GMT -5
You know, many republicans know Dubya spent more. they don't care if the lie that Obama spends more is put forth because they just want back in the White House, and they hate Obama because he's a Black man. That's all.
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Post by Playback on Apr 22, 2012 2:21:21 GMT -5
It would be suicide for the Democratic Party if Obama let his true liberal show through. There wouldn't be a Democrat president for 2 decades. First: Obama's not actually a liberal. He's a moderate, much like Pres. Clinton was. Second, it would help if he were more liberal because, despite what the republicans think they know, most of the country is left-of-center. They just don't happen to have a voice like conservatives do. the conservatives have Fox news and talk radio that dominate the media.
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 22, 2012 7:27:49 GMT -5
It would be suicide for the Democratic Party if Obama let his true liberal show through. There wouldn't be a Democrat president for 2 decades. This is a pretty stupid statement, considering one of the problems that Democrats have with Obama, is that he is not liberal enough or as liberal as we thought he would be. It may not matter to you, but many millions of Americans want a liberal President.
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Post by B5Erik on Apr 22, 2012 8:02:53 GMT -5
It would be suicide for the Democratic Party if Obama let his true liberal show through. There wouldn't be a Democrat president for 2 decades. This is a pretty stupid statement, considering one of the problems that Democrats have with Obama, is that he is not liberal enough or as liberal as we thought he would be. It may not matter to you, but many millions of Americans want a liberal President. But a majority don't. Most American's want a centrist in the White House. Obama is NOT a centrist. He is NOT moderate. For those FAR out on the left he may seem like a centrist, but to those truly in the center Obama is to the left. And I love how the liberals here keep ignoring Greece and Spain and all the other examples of how runaway liberalism literally destroys a country economically. California is another example - runaway liberalism has devastated the state financially. How many examples do you need that there is only so much money and when you try to create more revenues through higher taxes the money just dries up? There aren't nearly enough rich people to pay for all the liberal programs that those on the far left want. Even if you taxed the rich at 99% you still would end up hundreds of billions (if not trillions) short of what would be needed to fund all those programs fully.
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 22, 2012 8:40:40 GMT -5
This is a pretty stupid statement, considering one of the problems that Democrats have with Obama, is that he is not liberal enough or as liberal as we thought he would be. It may not matter to you, but many millions of Americans want a liberal President. But a majority don't. Most American's want a centrist in the White House. Obama is NOT a centrist. He is NOT moderate. For those FAR out on the left he may seem like a centrist, but to those truly in the center Obama is to the left. And I love how the liberals here keep ignoring Greece and Spain and all the other examples of how runaway liberalism literally destroys a country economically. California is another example - runaway liberalism has devastated the state financially. How many examples do you need that there is only so much money and when you try to create more revenues through higher taxes the money just dries up? There aren't nearly enough rich people to pay for all the liberal programs that those on the far left want. Even if you taxed the rich at 99% you still would end up hundreds of billions (if not trillions) short of what would be needed to fund all those programs fully. There is much more to being a liberal - than just having programs.
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Post by Justlee on Apr 22, 2012 9:11:03 GMT -5
But a majority don't. Most American's want a centrist in the White House. Obama is NOT a centrist. He is NOT moderate. For those FAR out on the left he may seem like a centrist, but to those truly in the center Obama is to the left. And I love how the liberals here keep ignoring Greece and Spain and all the other examples of how runaway liberalism literally destroys a country economically. California is another example - runaway liberalism has devastated the state financially. How many examples do you need that there is only so much money and when you try to create more revenues through higher taxes the money just dries up? There aren't nearly enough rich people to pay for all the liberal programs that those on the far left want. Even if you taxed the rich at 99% you still would end up hundreds of billions (if not trillions) short of what would be needed to fund all those programs fully. There is much more to being a liberal - than just having programs. Like? ...........
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Post by B5Erik on Apr 22, 2012 10:37:43 GMT -5
There is much more to being a liberal - than just having programs. Like? ........... Exactly. Being a liberal means believing in the nanny state. The government knows better. The government's going to tell us that 8 year olds need to be in car seats (no lie - in California they've done that), that we can't get disposable bags from the grocery store (have to use canvas reusable bags that we carry in to the store - several liberal cities in California have done that, despite the fact that studies have shown that dangerous bacteria can grow inside those bags as they come in contact with packages of raw meat) - the list is practically endless. But the big government programs are the centerpiece for most liberals. Better living through government! No. Thank. You.
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 22, 2012 16:31:50 GMT -5
Exactly. Being a liberal means believing in the nanny state. The government knows better. The government's going to tell us that 8 year olds need to be in car seats (no lie - in California they've done that), that we can't get disposable bags from the grocery store (have to use canvas reusable bags that we carry in to the store - several liberal cities in California have done that, despite the fact that studies have shown that dangerous bacteria can grow inside those bags as they come in contact with packages of raw meat) - the list is practically endless. But the big government programs are the centerpiece for most liberals. Better living through government! No. Thank. You. Lee was obviously joking - there is more to being a liberal than programs and it goes beyond political. Liberal - like conservative is a way of thinking and how one chooses to live their life.
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Post by Justlee on Apr 22, 2012 18:01:19 GMT -5
It would be suicide for the Democratic Party if Obama let his true liberal show through. There wouldn't be a Democrat president for 2 decades. This is a pretty stupid statement, considering one of the problems that Democrats have with Obama, is that he is not liberal enough or as liberal as we thought he would be. It may not matter to you, but many millions of Americans want a liberal President. And many millions of Americans don't want a liberal president.
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Post by B5Erik on Apr 22, 2012 21:07:45 GMT -5
Exactly. Being a liberal means believing in the nanny state. The government knows better. The government's going to tell us that 8 year olds need to be in car seats (no lie - in California they've done that), that we can't get disposable bags from the grocery store (have to use canvas reusable bags that we carry in to the store - several liberal cities in California have done that, despite the fact that studies have shown that dangerous bacteria can grow inside those bags as they come in contact with packages of raw meat) - the list is practically endless. But the big government programs are the centerpiece for most liberals. Better living through government! No. Thank. You. Lee was obviously joking - there is more to being a liberal than programs and it goes beyond political. Liberal - like conservative is a way of thinking and how one chooses to live their life. But liberals aren't satisfied with just living THEIR lives that way. They want to force that way of life on everyone else. Misery loves company. They want to take choice away. Isn't that ironic?
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 22, 2012 22:52:23 GMT -5
Lee was obviously joking - there is more to being a liberal than programs and it goes beyond political. Liberal - like conservative is a way of thinking and how one chooses to live their life. But liberals aren't satisfied with just living THEIR lives that way. They want to force that way of life on everyone else. Misery loves company. They want to take choice away. Isn't that ironic? You obviously don't know what it's like to be or think like a liberal. When I was 15 years old, do you think I gave a fuck about government programs or politics at all? I didn't, but I still had a liberal mindset when it came to living life.
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Post by B5Erik on Apr 22, 2012 23:30:11 GMT -5
But liberals aren't satisfied with just living THEIR lives that way. They want to force that way of life on everyone else. Misery loves company. They want to take choice away. Isn't that ironic? You obviously don't know what it's like to be or think like a liberal. When I was 15 years old, do you think I gave a fuck about government programs or politics at all? I didn't, but I still had a liberal mindset when it came to living life. And what is that mindset? Do you not think that conservatives care about people? Or the environment??? Come on...
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 22, 2012 23:34:11 GMT -5
You obviously don't know what it's like to be or think like a liberal. When I was 15 years old, do you think I gave a fuck about government programs or politics at all? I didn't, but I still had a liberal mindset when it came to living life. And what is that mindset? Do you not think that conservatives care about people? Or the environment??? Come on... When did I say that?
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Post by B5Erik on Apr 22, 2012 23:40:34 GMT -5
And what is that mindset? Do you not think that conservatives care about people? Or the environment??? Come on... When did I say that? It was implied. You have a liberal mindset that has nothing to do with policies or programs. If it isn't caring about people and the environment, what is it? What is your, "Liberal mindset," that is different from a conservatives mindset when you throw out policies and programs?
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Post by Hey Man on Apr 23, 2012 0:01:26 GMT -5
It was implied. You have a liberal mindset that has nothing to do with policies or programs. If it isn't caring about people and the environment, what is it? What is your, "Liberal mindset," that is different from a conservatives mindset when you throw out policies and programs? Would you like to start with religion and morality?
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Post by B5Erik on Apr 23, 2012 0:35:17 GMT -5
It was implied. You have a liberal mindset that has nothing to do with policies or programs. If it isn't caring about people and the environment, what is it? What is your, "Liberal mindset," that is different from a conservatives mindset when you throw out policies and programs? Would you like to start with religion and morality? Feel free...
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Post by allyourlies on Apr 23, 2012 4:31:11 GMT -5
This is a pretty stupid statement, considering one of the problems that Democrats have with Obama, is that he is not liberal enough or as liberal as we thought he would be. It may not matter to you, but many millions of Americans want a liberal President. And many millions of Americans don't want a liberal president. Nor a communist.
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