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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2011 13:14:31 GMT -5
I really do believe that the the majority of music coming out today is very disposable. It truly is the absolute worst time for music.
Yes, they are certainly great bands/artists and great albums out there - but it's way too few and far between the crap that is everywhere, especially when compared to the great music vs. shit music that came out decades earlier. You absolutely didn't have to look very hard to find something great back then, like you do now.
It's like the main focus on the music coming out now is to get you off TODAY, but there is absolutely no longevity to it at all. People won't care 5 minutes from now, never mind 10 years from now. Even though Mr. Blackwell is convinced that Katy Perry will be around 10 years from now.
Music today is like chinese food, you eat it and are satisfied - but an hour later you are starving again. That is really the best explanation of the music industry today.
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Post by lugnut on Sept 25, 2011 15:25:12 GMT -5
I really do believe that the the majority of music coming out today is very disposable. It truly is the absolute worst time for music. Yes, they are certainly great bands/artists and great albums out there - but it's way too few and far between the crap that is everywhere, especially when compared to the great music vs. shit music that came out decades earlier. You absolutely didn't have to look very hard to find something great back then, like you do now. It's like the main focus on the music coming out now is to get you off TODAY, but there is absolutely no longevity to it at all. People won't care 5 minutes from now, never mind 10 years from now. Even though Mr. Blackwell is convinced that Katy Perry will be around 10 years from now. Music today is like chinese food, you eat it and are satisfied - but an hour later you are starving again. That is really the best explanation of the music industry today. Again I both agree and disagree. I'm a tad younger than a lot around here, so for me I think of the much-hated early/mid '90s as one of the best times in music when it came to being able to easily hear a very wide array of different styles and artists from mainstream outlets. You didn't need to go digging very deep, because interesting stuff would somehow still make its way through to radio and MTV even when it was something that seemed completely out of left field. (For as much heat as MTV takes for losing its identity sometime in the mid-'90s, it was also the time that you could find a Gwar video next to a Michael Jackson video.) Eventually, between the emergence of boy-band pop, conglomerization of radio and MTV abandoning music, it suddenly became real hard to find anything that didn't seem to be ran past 100 focus groups before it ever had a chance. On one hand this means there's actually more choice than ever before thanks to the internet, but on the other it means you're going to have to dig through 1000 pieces of shit before you find something you like. ...And yet, I kinda think that's changing. Pop radio in 2011 doesn't make me want to blow my head off like pop radio in 2001 did. I find Gaga and Katy far more interesting musically than Britney and Christina ever were. Things seem a little less cookie-cutter now (emphasis on "little"). Something like Foster the People's "Pumped Up Kicks" isn't anything groundbreaking, but it's real music from real instruments that's all over pop radio and isn't a Nickelback clone, which hasn't really happened in quite some time. As awful as something like LMFAO is, it sounds a little more creative to me than the Backstreet Boys did. I don't know if anyone will remember it in 10 years...but I didn't think anyone would ever have nostalgia for the shitheap of music that became popular in the ass-end of the '90s and early '00s either, and yet they do. Talk to someone who's under 25 and they'll have very fond memories of crap like Eve 6 and O-Town. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 15:57:02 GMT -5
If we are talking about what passes for popular mainstream (read: major labels) music these days then I'd say the cupboards are indeed very bare. And if the death of radio and mtv hadn't coincided with the growth of the internet then I'd be pretty despondent about music.
But then I remember that I can also pull up pandora, tell it which bands I really like and which ones I hate and through the magic of algorithms is will find me some obscure artist in Poland. A youtube search will find me more of their music to listen to and a simple search will take me to their website where I can order their cds and have them shipped to my door and I can then spend the next few weeks absorbing something that I might never have found if the tradition music outlets weren't so incredibly pathetic.
Also today I can avoid the artists that I'm not a fan of. The only reason I know anything that is "current" right now is solely due to leaving Good Morning America on when I get ready for work every morning. If I don't like Katy Perry, I'm not exposed to her. That is a HUGE improvement from the days when you would have needed to stab yourself in the ear with an ice pick to avoid The Bodyguard soundtrack or Mariah Carey's latest dolphin chatter.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2011 16:01:38 GMT -5
Dolphin chatter - love it Isis. ;D
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Post by R&ROVER on Sept 25, 2011 17:10:14 GMT -5
It's both harder and easier than ever to discover music. We've never had so many tools by which to do so and yet you have to work harder because it's not just simply all around you like it used to be...nor in the fashion it used to be. The good music is there, it's just not played at Abercrombie & Fitch. What passes for hot music right now has never been such a narrow, hand-picked scope of songs and artists. The surface of the 'berg is very tiny (call it global warming), but the ship-sinking important parts below the breaking of the tide is still robust.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 18:39:49 GMT -5
While there's not much current music I enjoy listening to now, I'd say that what's going on now is not much different to what went on in the past. People who were my age 20 years ago were saying the same thing about the music industry as what we're saying now.
Not a lot has changed other than we've mostly formed our musical identities and aren't interested in the younger generation of today.
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 25, 2011 18:43:43 GMT -5
While there's not much current music I enjoy listening to now, I'd say that what's going on now is not much different to what went on in the past. People who were my age 20 years ago were saying the same thing about the music industry as what we're saying now. Not a lot has changed other than we've mostly formed our musical identities and aren't interested in the younger generation of today. Are you kidding me - there was TONS of great music around for the average 44 year old in the 70's, 80's and even 90's. But many of those artists are not around now as they are dead, retired or their career ended. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 18:50:49 GMT -5
While there's not much current music I enjoy listening to now, I'd say that what's going on now is not much different to what went on in the past. People who were my age 20 years ago were saying the same thing about the music industry as what we're saying now. Not a lot has changed other than we've mostly formed our musical identities and aren't interested in the younger generation of today. Are you kidding me - there was TONS of great music around for the average 44 year old in the 70's, 80's and even 90's. But many of those artists are not around now as they are dead, retired or their career ended. Ok. Not sure what that has to do with the topic, though. The majority of music in the past was disposable to most people. A few classic bands are still getting played, but plenty aren't that were popular back when. For me personally, I thought all the 90's bands were disposable crap, yet many of them are still getting played today and will in the future. It's my perception of music that has changed, not the general publics way digesting it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 8:40:31 GMT -5
Are you kidding me - there was TONS of great music around for the average 44 year old in the 70's, 80's and even 90's. But many of those artists are not around now as they are dead, retired or their career ended. Ok. Not sure what that has to do with the topic, though. The majority of music in the past was disposable to most people. A few classic bands are still getting played, but plenty aren't that were popular back when. For me personally, I thought all the 90's bands were disposable crap, yet many of them are still getting played today and will in the future. It's my perception of music that has changed, not the general publics way digesting it. I get what you are trying to say...that as we get older what speaks to kids no longer speaks to us. But at least in the states the changes in radio and mtv brought about a huge change in the way that the general public is informed and digests music. |
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Post by dute on Sept 28, 2011 22:18:41 GMT -5
Yes. Said the same thing in the thread on what one thinks of music of today.
Everyone is chasing instant superstardom. I want a band to prove to me they've got the chops and they're in it for the long haul.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 0:30:15 GMT -5
Yes. Said the same thing in the thread on what one thinks of music of today. Everyone is chasing instant superstardom. I want a band to prove to me they've got the chops and they're in it for the long haul. It's true, everyone is chasing intstant stardom, but, who's to blame? The big record companies aren't there nurturing acts anymore. If Kiss gets signed today would a record company even allow them to get to Alive! or would they drop them after the first album doesn't sell? |
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Post by dute on Sept 29, 2011 1:12:26 GMT -5
Yes. Said the same thing in the thread on what one thinks of music of today. Everyone is chasing instant superstardom. I want a band to prove to me they've got the chops and they're in it for the long haul. It's true, everyone is chasing intstant stardom, but, who's to blame? The big record companies aren't there nurturing acts anymore. If Kiss gets signed today would a record company even allow them to get to Alive! or would they drop them after the first album doesn't sell? Valid point! Things are different nowadays, but I also think it's a two-way street. |
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Post by Hey Man on Feb 28, 2013 15:49:07 GMT -5
Blackwell loves disposable music.
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Post by lugnut on Feb 28, 2013 16:36:22 GMT -5
I still think it's hard to say what "disposable" really is, and still too early to judge where today's artists will end up in the public consciousness a decade from now. Sure, it's possible that say, Lady Gaga's next album will be a huge flop that turns her into a weird little pop-culture footnote of the era, but then again, she might really wind up being the next Madonna after all. We just don't know yet.
Like I said in my old post from 2011 up there, I never would have expected a slew of songs from the '90s to still be remembered today, but there they are, still turning up on radio and in movies or on the in-store muzak. A lot of my girlfriend's nearly-a-decade-younger-than-me friends are now nostalgic for the days when nu-metal bands ruled the airwaves, but if you'd asked me about nu-metal back in 1999 I would have sworn that the only person who would ever miss it when it was gone would be Fred Durst. If they're females, they all still know the words to every Backstreet Boys or N'Sync hit and will happily burst into song anytime one of them comes on somewhere.
So yeah, I think today's music will be remembered. Will it be remembered by us? Maybe not... but it's not music for us, either really. The generation of kids for whom this is their soundtrack will keep some of it alive, though. I think it's wishful thinking on the part of some of us old farts that soon all of this will just go away. (Remember how they said nobody would be listening to rap music in ten years?) Even if she might not be selling out stadiums anymore, you can guarantee Katy Perry will still be touring somewhere even if it's just a nostalgia show.
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Post by Justlee on Feb 28, 2013 18:00:10 GMT -5
I disagree. I think there is still great music being made. You might have to dig a little deeper for it....but it is there.
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Post by Hey Man on Feb 28, 2013 18:07:29 GMT -5
I disagree. I think there is still great music being made. You might have to dig a little deeper for it....but it is there. Of course there are great new bands, etc. But I think pop music is certainly more disposable more than it's ever been. A friend of mine made a joke that you could light the 2012 Grammy Awards building on fire during the event and everyone's death (those nominated and the winners) would have zero impact on the music industry. It's mostly true. |
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Post by Justlee on Feb 28, 2013 20:33:29 GMT -5
I disagree. I think there is still great music being made. You might have to dig a little deeper for it....but it is there. Of course there are great new bands, etc. But I think pop music is certainly more disposable more than it's ever been. A friend of mine made a joke that you could light the 2012 Grammy Awards building on fire during the event and everyone's death (those nominated and the winners) would have zero impact on the music industry. It's mostly true. Because of the state of the industry more than the state of the misic being made....in my opinion. |
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 24, 2023 20:38:21 GMT -5
This topic seems to be more relevant than ever. I still maintain that there is great music to be found out there today if you look, but mainstream and pop is mostly garbage that will be forgotten in no time.
Younger people today don't give a shit about albums or deep cuts - just the song of the moment for the most part and then they move on the next song making the rounds on social media.
I find if there are any cool younger people who have good taste in music and appreciate music like we did, it is usually because they grew up in a household where music was important or was force fed KISS for example and taken to concerts - so some of that rubbed off on them as they started discovering the bands that they like.
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Oct 25, 2023 1:40:37 GMT -5
How the fuck do people reply to topics from 2013 on here like it’s a normal thing. This place is wild.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 25, 2023 1:46:29 GMT -5
How the fuck do people reply to topics from 2013 on here like it’s a normal thing. This place is wild. Thanks, friend. I have been going down memory lane a bit as I haven't looked at this forum in a long while. Others bumped some older threads and I thought some topics were worth talking about again as well with past commentary vs starting a new thread. In case you missed: thefreewheeler.proboards.com/thread/27123/feel-free-bump-old-threads |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 5:31:36 GMT -5
I can't get into anything post 2010. If I have, it's not very memorable. There's nothing unique anymore. All the new bands/artists sound the same or do very bad interpretations of older bands.
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Post by acefrehleyrules on Oct 27, 2023 11:22:03 GMT -5
yes.
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Post by kissoff on Nov 2, 2023 23:47:08 GMT -5
Waddup dude and welcome to the FW!! |
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Post by Joma on Nov 2, 2023 23:57:05 GMT -5
I agree with your username... |
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Post by Hey Man on Nov 3, 2023 11:32:35 GMT -5
I agree with your username... Maybe it is the real Ace Frehley. |
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Post by acefrehleyrules on Nov 18, 2023 15:10:33 GMT -5
Waddup dude and welcome to the FW!! thanks, man! What up! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 15:24:34 GMT -5
Teenagers still go to concerts in arenas. Do you all have kids? Ask them if they think their music is disposable.
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Post by Hey Man on Nov 18, 2023 15:40:07 GMT -5
Teenagers still go to concerts in arenas. Do you all have kids? Ask them if they think their music is disposable. Welcome! Sure they go to concerts, but we both know they are not buying albums and listening to deep cuts with the vast majority of young people today unless it is Taylor Swift. It is mostly about the current song trending on social media. Not track 8 on an album that is better than any single that was released for the album. They don't even know track 8 exists for the most part. But yes, there are exceptions with younger people. It also isn't remotely close to the amount of teenagers going to concerts in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Nostalgia is primarily fueling the concert industry with money today. Again with Taylor Swift and a select few others being the HUGE exception to the rule. Teenagers listening to hard rock and other retro music is primarily due to their parents forcing that on them - be it taking them to concerts, etc. Typically you would rebel against the music your parents liked, but 80's and 90's parents force fed that music on their kids at such an early age when they had no choice - that the kids were practically brainwashed. This is the parents doing. Not some passionate desire by the kids.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 15:54:15 GMT -5
Teenagers still go to concerts in arenas. Do you all have kids? Ask them if they think their music is disposable. Welcome! Sure they go to concerts, but we both know they are not buying albums and listening to deep cuts with the vast majority of young people today unless it is Taylor Swift. It is mostly about the current song trending on social media. Not track 8 on an album that is better than any single that was released for the album. They don't even know track 8 exists for the most part. But yes, there are exceptions with younger people. It also isn't remotely close to the amount of teenagers going to concerts in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Nostalgia is primarily fueling the concert industry with money today. Again with Taylor Swift and a select few others being the HUGE exception to the rule. Teenagers listening to hard rock and other retro music is primarily due to their parents forcing that on them - be it taking them to concerts, etc. Typically you would rebel against the music your parents liked, but 80's and 90's parents force fed that music on their kids at such an early age when they had no choice - that the kids were practically brainwashed. This is the parents doing. Not some passionate desire by the kids.
It's different these days. Music is just another entertainment medium along with video games and movies. I visited some close friends a couple years ago and the teenagers were listening to new music. The white kid was coming up with his own raps. Physical media is just another piece of merch these days as streaming took over. |
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Post by Joma on Nov 18, 2023 16:07:16 GMT -5
Teenagers still go to concerts in arenas. Do you all have kids? Ask them if they think their music is disposable. I have a 12 year old that's into music, listening and playing. She digs almost entirely older bands...from the Beatles to Weezer. Not much into 'current' music. Mostly late 90s/early 2000s shit. |
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