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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Mar 15, 2024 1:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by Steve on Mar 15, 2024 1:56:57 GMT -5
I got it off Soulseek. Have only listened to bits and pieces.
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Post by Psychocreature on Mar 15, 2024 2:36:50 GMT -5
I got it off Soulseek. Have only listened to bits and pieces. How much? |
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Post by Steve on Mar 15, 2024 2:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 15, 2024 8:51:44 GMT -5
Yes.
There is a lot of great stuff on there and of course some shitty songs as well.
One thing for sure is that there are songs on here that should have been on KISS albums - especially considering the Gene songs that were chosen on those 80's albums instead.
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Post by kissoff on Mar 15, 2024 9:16:19 GMT -5
Yes. There is a lot of great stuff on there and of course some shitty songs as well. One thing for sure is that there are songs on here that should have been on KISS albums - especially considering the Gene songs that were chosen on those 80's albums instead. KISS wouldn't know a hit song if it hit them in the face. |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 15, 2024 9:27:12 GMT -5
Yes. There is a lot of great stuff on there and of course some shitty songs as well. One thing for sure is that there are songs on here that should have been on KISS albums - especially considering the Gene songs that were chosen on those 80's albums instead. KISS wouldn't know a hit song if it hit them in the face. This is true. |
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Post by Joma on Mar 15, 2024 12:16:54 GMT -5
I bought it when it dropped to $500. Wish I woulda waited till it was available just recently without the silly safe for under 100 bucks. I think there's a lot of solid material in there and am a bit dumbfounded why some of it didn't make it to albums over other material...especially Asshole. That album has grown on me, but he could have released a fantastic rock CD with the better tunes off the Vault.
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Post by kissoff on Mar 15, 2024 12:38:05 GMT -5
I bought it when it dropped to $500. Wish I woulda waited till it was available just recently without the silly safe for under 100 bucks. I think there's a lot of solid material in there and am a bit dumbfounded why some of it didn't make it to albums over other material...especially Asshole. That album has grown on me, but he could have released a fantastic rock CD with the better tunes off the Vault. Does the silly safe look like the picture Margo posted. Kinda looks like it's made outta leather. |
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Post by Joma on Mar 15, 2024 13:54:07 GMT -5
More or less. Sorta funny is half my CDs were fucked, and while dealing with that to get them replaced, they ended up sending me a whole second set of everything. So I had two silly safes! I ended up giving the second set to a friend. Anyhow, the point of that is the two silly safes looked a good bit different from each other.  |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 15, 2024 14:08:53 GMT -5
More or less. Sorta funny is half my CDs were fucked, and while dealing with that to get them replaced, they ended up sending me a whole second set of everything. So I had two silly safes! I ended up giving the second set to a friend. Anyhow, the point of that is the two silly safes looked a good bit different from each other. View AttachmentI guess you didn't get any secret prize in your vault. That was for the people who spent full price. No used Gene socks for you. |
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Post by kissoff on Mar 15, 2024 14:27:19 GMT -5
More or less. Sorta funny is half my CDs were fucked, and while dealing with that to get them replaced, they ended up sending me a whole second set of everything. So I had two silly safes! I ended up giving the second set to a friend. Anyhow, the point of that is the two silly safes looked a good bit different from each other. View Attachment Man I gotta be honest that mightve fucked me up lil bit deciding which one to keep. I might've leaned towards one on the right. |
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Post by Joma on Mar 15, 2024 15:58:27 GMT -5
More or less. Sorta funny is half my CDs were fucked, and while dealing with that to get them replaced, they ended up sending me a whole second set of everything. So I had two silly safes! I ended up giving the second set to a friend. Anyhow, the point of that is the two silly safes looked a good bit different from each other. View Attachment Man I gotta be honest that mightve fucked me up lil bit deciding which one to keep. I might've leaned towards one on the right. It was a bit of a struggle deciding...and I did stick with the one on the right. And no used Gene shit in either of my silly safes. |
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Post by Psychocreature on Mar 15, 2024 22:07:33 GMT -5
I have yet to hear one song from the vault. So I have no idea if the songs are any good.
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Mar 16, 2024 3:07:55 GMT -5
The surprise gift was only included for the first year he sold them. So anyone who bought it after that still paid the $2000 for it but didn’t get the socks or the spare 3D glasses from the cancelled Psycho Circus shows.
Personally I just downloaded the entire thing shortly after release, listened to everything once then deleted it.
Actually I probably listened to the VH demos twice.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 16, 2024 11:03:33 GMT -5
The surprise gift was only included for the first year he sold them. So anyone who bought it after that still paid the $2000 for it but didn’t get the socks or the spare 3D glasses from the cancelled Psycho Circus shows. Personally I just downloaded the entire thing shortly after release, listened to everything once then deleted it. Actually I probably listened to the VH demos twice. Do you even like KISS? You couldn't find anything of worth here, you don't get Hotter Than Hell, etc. |
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Post by battra on Mar 16, 2024 14:11:35 GMT -5
Nope.
I'm not big on demos, especially of artists who've been recording and releasing music for 5 decades.
I just can't imagine there's anything on this album that I need to hear.
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Post by Joma on Mar 16, 2024 16:20:08 GMT -5
Nope. I'm not big on demos, especially of artists who've been recording and releasing music for 5 decades. I just can't imagine there's anything on this album that I need to hear. There are plenty of songs better than what made albums...but do you 'need' to hear them? I suppose not... |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 16, 2024 16:27:32 GMT -5
Nope. I'm not big on demos, especially of artists who've been recording and releasing music for 5 decades. I just can't imagine there's anything on this album that I need to hear. There are plenty of songs better than what made albums...but do you 'need' to hear them? I suppose not... Absolutely agree. There is so much great stuff on here - it is almost insulting to KISS fans with the garbage we were mostly given in the 80's instead. |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 16, 2024 21:01:30 GMT -5
It is hilarious that he actually thought that the music would never be available and now wants Gene to make it right. If you actually believed Gene - knowing how much he lies - then that it is on you. Of course the music was going to be sold for much less at some point. Just dumb. www.kissfaq.com/forum24/viewtopic.php?p=3838914#p3838914 |
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Mar 17, 2024 1:13:03 GMT -5
I never said Hotter Than Hell was bad per se, I just don’t understand how people can think it’s the best KISS album or a great album in general.
A great album is Rumours. Hotel California. Revolver. Paranoid.
Hotter Than Hell has a bunch of fair songs on it and two or three quite good ones, all of which were bettered on Alive! Nothing as good as Strutter, nothing as good as Black Diamond or 100,000 Years.
What songs on the Vault are great? There are some that are INTERESTING, to hear the demos of what became KISS songs later. But there wasn’t anything that I heard that made me think damn, they missed a trick not putting this one on an album! Gene forgot how to write good songs after 1978 anyway.
Where I can listen to Eric Carr Rockology and think that a bunch of those songs should have been KISS songs. Can You Feel It, Too Cool For School, Eyes of Love etc, they would have all worked on the 80s KISS albums and given some much needed variety from the Gene & Paul Show. Same as the Peter and Ace songs back in the 70s. Even if they’re not the best songs they add texture to the albums. Same as the Ringo and George songs on the early Beatles albums.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 17, 2024 1:31:46 GMT -5
I never said Hotter Than Hell was bad per se, I just don’t understand how people can think it’s the best KISS album or a great album in general. A great album is Rumours. Hotel California. Revolver. Paranoid. Hotter Than Hell has a bunch of fair songs on it and two or three quite good ones, all of which were bettered on Alive! Nothing as good as Strutter, nothing as good as Black Diamond or 100,000 Years. What songs on the Vault are great? There are some that are INTERESTING, to hear the demos of what became KISS songs later. But there wasn’t anything that I heard that made me think damn, they missed a trick not putting this one on an album! Gene forgot how to write good songs after 1978 anyway. Where I can listen to Eric Carr Rockology and think that a bunch of those songs should have been KISS songs. Can You Feel It, Too Cool For School, Eyes of Love etc, they would have all worked on the 80s KISS albums and given some much needed variety from the Gene & Paul Show. Same as the Peter and Ace songs back in the 70s. Even if they’re not the best songs they add texture to the albums. Same as the Ringo and George songs on the early Beatles albums. KISS have never made a front to back great album and certainly don't compete with other bands, which is something I have already discussed. So it is silly to mention the albums you did, because KISS are just not on that level. In the world of KISS though, Hotter Than Hell is among their very best - but the production ruined it's true potential. It probably depends on how much of a Gene fan you are. I love his 78 album, The Elder and certainly his songs on Creatures, LIU and Revenge - so there is a bunch of great stuff on the box set if you are like me and you are a more of a Gene guy than a Paul guy. Where as I only think Eyes Of Love off of the Eric Carr album was a missed opportunity and it should have been on HITS. |
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Post by Joma on Mar 17, 2024 9:57:49 GMT -5
I never said Hotter Than Hell was bad per se, I just don’t understand how people can think it’s the best KISS album or a great album in general. A great album is Rumours. Hotel California. Revolver. Paranoid. Hotter Than Hell has a bunch of fair songs on it and two or three quite good ones, all of which were bettered on Alive! Nothing as good as Strutter, nothing as good as Black Diamond or 100,000 Years. What songs on the Vault are great? There are some that are INTERESTING, to hear the demos of what became KISS songs later. But there wasn’t anything that I heard that made me think damn, they missed a trick not putting this one on an album! Gene forgot how to write good songs after 1978 anyway. Where I can listen to Eric Carr Rockology and think that a bunch of those songs should have been KISS songs. Can You Feel It, Too Cool For School, Eyes of Love etc, they would have all worked on the 80s KISS albums and given some much needed variety from the Gene & Paul Show. Same as the Peter and Ace songs back in the 70s. Even if they’re not the best songs they add texture to the albums. Same as the Ringo and George songs on the early Beatles albums. I like Got To Choose better than any Paul tune off the S/T. Goin' Blind is one of my favorite KISS songs outright... Vault tunes. The Revenge era Everybody Knows rules. Also dig: I Wait Something Wicked This Way Comes Juliet Hey You (cool idea, but unfinished) Weapons (w/Ace) I Wanna Live Bells of Freedom Are You Real I Am Yours No Conscience It Gonna Be Alright I Wanna Rule the World Fourever I also like plenty of the weird stuff, hard to remember some of the names... |
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Post by battra on Mar 17, 2024 11:21:55 GMT -5
Nope. I'm not big on demos, especially of artists who've been recording and releasing music for 5 decades. I just can't imagine there's anything on this album that I need to hear. There are plenty of songs better than what made albums...but do you 'need' to hear them? I suppose not... Demos are very rarely interesting to me. Like remember when Led Zeppelin released those deluxe bonus editions about 10 years ago? I got the first couple, and never listened to the works in progress versions so I stopped buying the deluxe CD packages...this was before I switched to vinyl. I DID listen to the rough mix of ...And Justice For All, but those songs were done, just not mixed. I also didn't listen to any of the other demo stuff in the justice set. |
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Post by battra on Mar 17, 2024 11:23:05 GMT -5
I never said Hotter Than Hell was bad per se, I just don’t understand how people can think it’s the best KISS album or a great album in general. A great album is Rumours. Hotel California. Revolver. Paranoid. Hotter Than Hell has a bunch of fair songs on it and two or three quite good ones, all of which were bettered on Alive! Nothing as good as Strutter, nothing as good as Black Diamond or 100,000 Years. What songs on the Vault are great? There are some that are INTERESTING, to hear the demos of what became KISS songs later. But there wasn’t anything that I heard that made me think damn, they missed a trick not putting this one on an album! Gene forgot how to write good songs after 1978 anyway. Where I can listen to Eric Carr Rockology and think that a bunch of those songs should have been KISS songs. Can You Feel It, Too Cool For School, Eyes of Love etc, they would have all worked on the 80s KISS albums and given some much needed variety from the Gene & Paul Show. Same as the Peter and Ace songs back in the 70s. Even if they’re not the best songs they add texture to the albums. Same as the Ringo and George songs on the early Beatles albums. I bought Rockology back in the day when it was first released. I was exceedingly disappointed in it really. The songs were so unfinished. |
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Mar 17, 2024 19:59:30 GMT -5
About half were unfinished and had new Bruce solos on them or nonsense vocals or no vocals at all.
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Post by kissoff on Mar 17, 2024 20:11:36 GMT -5
About half were unfinished and had new Bruce solos on them or nonsense vocals or no vocals at all. Ya I assumed the whole thing was a farce such as Gene getting ahold of some songs then getting some musicians to lay down the music so he could just put his vocals onto it then claim they're demos from whenever. |
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Post by Psychocreature on Mar 17, 2024 20:53:04 GMT -5
I never said Hotter Than Hell was bad per se, I just don’t understand how people can think it’s the best KISS album or a great album in general. A great album is Rumours. Hotel California. Revolver. Paranoid. Hotter Than Hell has a bunch of fair songs on it and two or three quite good ones, all of which were bettered on Alive! Nothing as good as Strutter, nothing as good as Black Diamond or 100,000 Years. Agreed about Hotter than Hell. DTK and RARO are among their best albums. |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 17, 2024 20:57:51 GMT -5
About half were unfinished and had new Bruce solos on them or nonsense vocals or no vocals at all. Not true. Seems you did more skimming than actual focused listening front to back of all the songs. |
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Mar 18, 2024 0:24:01 GMT -5
Perfectly true. I’m talking about the original CD from twenty years ago that came out after the Rockheads EP which was just like four songs. Not talking about any expanded reissue that may have had more unfinished stuff on it.
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