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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:05:18 GMT -5
There's plenty of movies I saw as a kid (R rated or not) that I wouldn't let my kids watch today. My kids aren't me. I can't base what they'd like on how I reacted 30 years ago. I know my kids well enough to know what they'd enjoy and what they won't. Jaws is being shown on TV tonight in Sydney. No way are my kids watching it, yet I saw it as an 11 year old. Well if it's not a film you think they would enjoy, I am not suggesting you hold them down and staple their eyes open to watch it. But if they already have a like for action films or sci-fi - maybe you will show them Terminator or whatever film in a genre you already know they like. Absolutely. Your earlier posts were suggesting that parents today should let kids watch what they watched simply because it didn't have an adverse effect on them. Already have a like for action or sci fi? As their parent I'd have to ask where they got a like for thsoe films if it wasn't from me or my wife. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:06:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade those memories for all the bullshit Disney films in the world. I feel multiple smitings coming on.  I fucking HATED Disney cartoons as a kid and now as well - it's so vanilla. I was a Warner Bros. cartoon guy with the adult references that I didn't get as a child. Much like The Simpsons. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:06:58 GMT -5
I don't think he cares about that kinda stuff, to be honest. I absolutely care, but I would also want my kids to experience the same awesome moments with film that I experienced as a child. If I had a time machine, I would go back to relive those moments. I would be a hypocrite to not let my children experience the same as a film ethusiast parent like my parents were. It's got nothing to do with being a hypocrite and everything to do with being switched on to what your kids will enjoy. Just because I enjoyed it, it doesn't mean that my kids will. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:07:31 GMT -5
I feel multiple smitings coming on. I fucking HATED Disney cartoons as a kid and now as well - it's so vanilla. I was a Warner Bros. cartoon guy with the adult references that I didn't get as a child. Much like The Simpsons. Disney made more than cartoons. |
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 3:09:59 GMT -5
I feel multiple smitings coming on. I was a Warner Bros. cartoon guy with the adult references that I didn't get as a child. Much like The Simpsons. I am sorry you feel that way. |
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 3:10:31 GMT -5
I absolutely care, but I would also want my kids to experience the same awesome moments with film that I experienced as a child. Fair enough, but not all children will react or respond as you did to violence etc. As I explained before, the adverse effects can be horrendous for some kids. Exactly. Sorry, "+1" ;D |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:10:57 GMT -5
Well if it's not a film you think they would enjoy, I am not suggesting you hold them down and staple their eyes open to watch it. But if they already have a like for action films or sci-fi - maybe you will show them Terminator or whatever film in a genre you already know they like. Absolutely. Your earlier posts were suggesting that parents today should let kids watch what they watched simply because it didn't have an adverse effect on them. Already have a like for action or sci fi? As their parent I'd have to ask where they got a like for thsoe films if it wasn't from me or my wife. Well there is PG action films - so if they dig those, maybe there are R Rated action films that you don't feel are so bad. Don't forget, a film can get an R Rating simply because it has one too many uses of the word fuck in it. Not because of extreme violence or nudity. I don't think Die Hard or Lethal Weapon are excessive R Rated films. If your kids like Batman, have you shown them the Chris Nolan films, which are not R Rated. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:13:14 GMT -5
I absolutely care, but I would also want my kids to experience the same awesome moments with film that I experienced as a child. If I had a time machine, I would go back to relive those moments. I would be a hypocrite to not let my children experience the same as a film ethusiast parent like my parents were. It's got nothing to do with being a hypocrite and everything to do with being switched on to what your kids will enjoy. Just because I enjoyed it, it doesn't mean that my kids will. Well you don't know until you try the first film to see if they like it. My family watched all sorts of movies together - I would kill for those moments again. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:15:40 GMT -5
I fucking HATED Disney cartoons as a kid and now as well - it's so vanilla. I was a Warner Bros. cartoon guy with the adult references that I didn't get as a child. Much like The Simpsons. Disney made more than cartoons. Hated most of the live action stuff as well. Too sickly sweet for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:17:02 GMT -5
Absolutely. Your earlier posts were suggesting that parents today should let kids watch what they watched simply because it didn't have an adverse effect on them. Already have a like for action or sci fi? As their parent I'd have to ask where they got a like for thsoe films if it wasn't from me or my wife. Well there is PG action films - so if they dig those, maybe there are R Rated action films that you don't feel are so bad. Don't forget, a film can get an R Rating simply because it has one too many uses of the word fuck in it. Not because of extreme violence or nudity. I don't think Die Hard or Lethal Weapon are excessive R Rated films. If your kids like Batman, have you shown them the Chris Nolan films, which are not R Rated. We try not to expose our kids to the word "fuck", so that would probably rule out plenty of movies right there. And I think I said earlier that I don't base what my kids can and can't watch on the Govt funded rating system. My kids like Batman cartoons and, no, they're not watching The Dark Knight just yet. We're at the stage where we're just about to sit down and watch the Harry Potter and Star Wars franchises with them, although, it's my guess, knowing my kids, that they probably won't get through teh first Harry Potter movie. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:18:15 GMT -5
I absolutely care, but I would also want my kids to experience the same awesome moments with film that I experienced as a child. Fair enough, but not all children will react or respond as you did to violence etc. As I explained before, the adverse effects can be horrendous for some kids. And heavy metal is evil and can make people kill others or themselves. It's the same argument. You are never going to know until you let them stick their toe in the water so to speak. I am sure if I freaked out as a child, they would stop showing me films, but they took a chance and I am grateful that they did. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:18:56 GMT -5
I fucking HATED Disney cartoons as a kid and now as well - it's so vanilla. I was a Warner Bros. cartoon guy with the adult references that I didn't get as a child. Much like The Simpsons. I am sorry you feel that way. Didn't you like Bugs Bunny and all that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:19:31 GMT -5
It's got nothing to do with being a hypocrite and everything to do with being switched on to what your kids will enjoy. Just because I enjoyed it, it doesn't mean that my kids will. Well you don't know until you try the first film to see if they like it. My family watched all sorts of movies together - I would kill for those moments again. I don't have to try it, I know my kids. I talk to them. I know their fears and what will send them over the edge and give them nightmares. No need to watch a movie to find out that stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:20:45 GMT -5
I am sorry you feel that way. Didn't you like Bugs Bunny and all that? personally I like both, also the Hanna Barbara stuff. |
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 3:22:30 GMT -5
It's got nothing to do with being a hypocrite and everything to do with being switched on to what your kids will enjoy. Just because I enjoyed it, it doesn't mean that my kids will. Well you don't know until you try the first film to see if they like it. My family watched all sorts of movies together - I would kill for those moments again. How do you feel about violent video games? Australia is trying to push for games to be R-rated (your equivalent is NC-17 I think?). |
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 3:23:47 GMT -5
I am sorry you feel that way. Didn't you like Bugs Bunny and all that? Loved WB cartoons. Loved The Simpsons. Loved Disney. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:26:21 GMT -5
Well there is PG action films - so if they dig those, maybe there are R Rated action films that you don't feel are so bad. Don't forget, a film can get an R Rating simply because it has one too many uses of the word fuck in it. Not because of extreme violence or nudity. I don't think Die Hard or Lethal Weapon are excessive R Rated films. If your kids like Batman, have you shown them the Chris Nolan films, which are not R Rated. We try not to expose our kids to the word "fuck", so that would probably rule out plenty of movies right there. And I think I said earlier that I don't base what my kids can and can't watch on the Govt funded rating system. My kids like Batman cartoons and, no, they're not watching The Dark Knight just yet. We're at the stage where we're just about to sit down and watch the Harry Potter and Star Wars franchises with them, although, it's my guess, knowing my kids, that they probably won't get through teh first Harry Potter movie. I don't know how old your kids are, so I am just speaking generally. And a PG film is allowed to have one use of the word fuck. Although it can't be I want to fuck you. But even that brings up an interesting point - movies that we watched when we were kids, were much more adult like than the crap made today for kids. Stuff like The Goonies, The Bad News Bears, A Christmas Story and many other 80's movies for kids had much more adult situations, swear words and the like. I think in many ways, we have become pussified from how things used to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:29:19 GMT -5
If you read my first post in this thread, which I assumed you did, you'd see that my kids are 11 and 7.
Not really sure about the movies, but kids television certainly isn't pacified. Some shows directed at pree teens, like I Carly, Victorious, etc, have some very non pre teen themes.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:29:30 GMT -5
Well you don't know until you try the first film to see if they like it. My family watched all sorts of movies together - I would kill for those moments again. How do you feel about violent video games? Australia is trying to push for games to be R-rated (your equivalent is NC-17 I think?). I am fine with a rating system, but I have no problem with children playing certain violent games. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:32:35 GMT -5
If you read my first post in this thread, which I assumed you did, you'd see that my kids are 11 and 7. Not really sure about the movies, but kids television certainly isn't pacified. Some shows directed at pree teens, like I Carly, Victorious, etc, have some very non pre teen themes. I can understand 7, but 11 to me seems ready for comic book movies, certain action movies and certainly the major franchises like Star Wars and the like. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:36:44 GMT -5
I grew up around boxing clubs, pool halls and pubs. I saw enough to know how I want my kids to grow up. What we went through doesn't necessitate our kids doing the same. I am certainly not telling you how to raise your kids. I am just telling you my position on the matter and how I was raised. The networks shouldn't have to cater to parents. They should be able to show whatever programming they want to (we are not talking about a 24 hour beheading channel) without it being cut or edited, otherwise as Firekiss stated - don't show it at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:37:55 GMT -5
If you read my first post in this thread, which I assumed you did, you'd see that my kids are 11 and 7. Not really sure about the movies, but kids television certainly isn't pacified. Some shows directed at pree teens, like I Carly, Victorious, etc, have some very non pre teen themes. I can understand 7, but 11 to me seems ready for comic book movies, certain action movies and certainly the major franchises like Star Wars and the like. She'll be fine with Star Wars, with the exception of maybe the final scenes in Revenge of the Sith. She's not good on blood, guts and disfigurement. The first few Harry Potter movies hit on some common fears (snakes, spiders etc.). They may be an issue for her. The young bloke isn't watching any of them. Besides, he's infatuated with Cars 2 right now. Watched it about 20 times since unwrapping it Xmas morning. Like I said, it's not really about their age, but us, their parents, knowing what they can handle and, more importantly, enjoy. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:41:56 GMT -5
I can understand 7, but 11 to me seems ready for comic book movies, certain action movies and certainly the major franchises like Star Wars and the like. She'll be fine with Star Wars, with the exception of maybe the final scenes in Revenge of the Sith. She's not good on blood, guts and disfigurement. The first few Harry Potter movies hit on some common fears (snakes, spiders etc.). They may be an issue for her. The young bloke isn't watching any of them. Besides, he's infatuated with Cars 2 right now. Watched it about 20 times since unwrapping it Xmas morning. Like I said, it's not really about their age, but us, their parents, knowing what they can handle and, more importantly, enjoy. But if the Dark Knight is too well dark for them, would you let your 11 year old see Thor or Green Lantern or Captain America, assuming she like superheroes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 3:46:47 GMT -5
She'll be fine with Star Wars, with the exception of maybe the final scenes in Revenge of the Sith. She's not good on blood, guts and disfigurement. The first few Harry Potter movies hit on some common fears (snakes, spiders etc.). They may be an issue for her. The young bloke isn't watching any of them. Besides, he's infatuated with Cars 2 right now. Watched it about 20 times since unwrapping it Xmas morning. Like I said, it's not really about their age, but us, their parents, knowing what they can handle and, more importantly, enjoy. But if the Dark Knight is too well dark for them, would you let your 11 year old see Thor or Green Lantern or Captain America, assuming she like superheroes. Don't know. Haven't seen them myself. If they have scenes in them that show disfigurement like Dark Knight does, then I'd have to say no. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 10, 2012 9:30:40 GMT -5
You sort of sound like the religious Parents Television Council who complain about Family Guy every week. Gross exaggeration acknowledged. If it were absolutely uncensored, we may as well have porn, beheadings and God knows what else on there. Kids are heavily influenced by what they see and learn from TV and movies. I don't want my kids to have access to shit like that. Agreed. There has to be some form of censorship. I don't think kids under the age of 12 should be exposed to certain things. Society is already going downhill fast....no need to rush it. |
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Post by R&ROVER on Jan 10, 2012 9:45:43 GMT -5
I'm more opposed to video games than films. In the games YOU'RE a part of that experience. Movies, while they can be personal, are inherently non-interactive. I don't feel like I'M killing someone in a film. In a game I'm controlling that and living vicariously through that POV perspective.
As far as kids even being exposed to mere images of violence and sadness, turn off your local and national news around dinner time because I see more there than in lots of movies.
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Post by Vandelay Industries on Jan 10, 2012 11:02:35 GMT -5
like i said before, i'm selective as to what R-rated movies are acceptable. some R-rated movies are actually more tolerable than certain PG-13 or PG flicks IMO. for example, i'd rather my kid watch 'the terminator' than something like 'it's alive', which is actually rated PG.
ironically, the most tramautic movie my wife's kids have ever seen was 'the passion of the christ', thanks to her dipshit ex-husband. i would've never shown that movie in a million years.....some brutal shit happening onscreen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 11:06:32 GMT -5
I was restricted on what I could watch until I was 10 and my mother started dating a man with 3 kids who were able to watch anything they wanted, at which point it was a bit difficult to say "sorry Julie you can't watch this film that everyone else in the house including the kid 3 years younger than you is watching"
From that point on I watched a lot of movies with adult content. I watched horror movies, a lot of them scared me. Some of them gave me nightmares. I survived and I learned to adapt, to say "no thanks" and go do something else when I knew a movie was going to scare me. I recall when we saw Nightmare on Elm Street my brother wouldn't go to sleep for a couple of nights. The first night they let it go. The second night they told him if he didn't go to sleep they wouldn't let him watch horror movies anymore. He went to sleep right away, or at least pretended to.
Rover was pretty open with his son so like when I was a child, when we got together I had to relax what I let my kids watch too. And like me they learned how to judge for themselves and would not join in or would get up and leave the room if a film was too much for them. And we would discuss the films which made a lot of films really good sneaky learning tools during summer breaks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 11:35:10 GMT -5
When I was a kid Friday the 13th was wildly popular, it was one of the events of summer going to see part 3D and I was a couple weeks shy of my 10th birthday. Those films were so rediculous I think a lot of people looked at them as kid films. At that age they were just a fun rollercoaster ride, now if they had the atmosphere of The Texas Chain Saw Massacre that would have been too much. Like Vandeley says, depends on the film. Terminator flicks may be R rated but try and convince me they're not kids films, toys, amusement park rides, they're kid flicks. I wouldn't blindly let my kid watch an R rated film but if I know what it's content is and I know he can handle it then fine. Isn't like I'm gonna put on Salo or The Human Centipede for him.  And like Hey Man says, to me the bigger sin is ruining a film by editing it. I agree with that, and we didn't declare open season on films the way my parents did. We judged based on what we thought they could handle. The film that the kids had the hardest time with was Ang Lee's The Hulk. They had watched Star Wars and Spiderman and the Burton Batman films so we figured they would be fine with The Hulk but when he got angry it upset my two. It wasn't any of the violence but the fact that he was visibly angry. We ended up leaving the theater and playing racing video games while Rover and our oldest finished the movie and in the car on the way home they had our oldest tell them all about the rest of the film. |
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Post by R&ROVER on Jan 10, 2012 12:14:02 GMT -5
Ultimately your kids will go to their friends' house and end up experiencing the things THEY'RE allowed to do anyhow. I can't tell you how often I'd go hang with this friend when I wanted to do this...and that friend when I wanted to do that. One had the cool movies, one had the cool music, etc. Kids get around all of your shit. You know this because you did and you're no smarter than your mom and dad.  |
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And like Hey Man says, to me the bigger sin is ruining a film by editing it.