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Post by Hey Man on Jan 9, 2012 16:54:50 GMT -5
Growing up in the late 70's and 80's - my parents were film enthusiasts, so they often let me watch R Rated movies at a very young age and I love them for it. It really gave me the appreciation for film that I have today. I am sure many of you had the same experiences as well. So now that you are parents, do you let them live the same sort of childhood as you did when it came to movies? Will you let them see certain R Rated movies? Or have you become hypocrites and have taken away the joy you had when seeing Robocop or whatever, so they can watch Shrek instead.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 9, 2012 17:09:48 GMT -5
No. I have a sense of responsibility that won't allow that. Are you saying I had bad parents?
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Post by R&ROVER on Jan 9, 2012 17:12:13 GMT -5
I had the same experience as Hey Man and shared that with my son too. He's watched horror since a very early age.
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Post by R&ROVER on Jan 9, 2012 17:33:09 GMT -5
I agree with that. That's always the better answer than throwing a blanket of generality (one way or the other) over it.
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Post by Vandelay Industries on Jan 9, 2012 17:40:41 GMT -5
i'll let my 10-year old stepson watch a few R-rated movies, but nothing i haven't watched first. 'terminator salvation: director's cut'? sure, why not. 'dawn of the dead' remake? no fucking way....
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Post by lugnut on Jan 9, 2012 18:37:42 GMT -5
Don't have kids, but I too was allowed to basically watch anything and everything and can't remember any movies I was ever "forbidden" from watching. So yeah, I'd probably let a kid watch most stuff, within reason...I don't think I'd be showing an 8-year-old I Spit on Your Grave or anything, but he could probably handle The Terminator or a Jason movie.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 9, 2012 18:50:11 GMT -5
Are you saying I had bad parents? No. You're suggesting I'm saying that. I'm saying that I personally don't want my kids viewing stuff that is too strong or ahead of their age bracket. They're young children and I don't want to implant anything too heavy beyond their current age bracket. Other parents may not allow even what I allow my kids to watch. It's all relative to the children in question and where they are in their development. Did your parents let you watch certain R Rated movies? Did you grow up watching horror movies or action movies at a young age?
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Post by Anomacunt the Excellent on Jan 9, 2012 21:19:31 GMT -5
R rated Horror movies? Nah, no one in the house really is a fan of the genre anyways...if I let my kid watch that before they were 5 he might turn into another Pau.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 9, 2012 22:13:52 GMT -5
Did your parents let you watch certain R Rated movies? Did you grow up watching horror movies or action movies at a young age? I grew up in a country town. No video player (never got one until I was 21). 2 TV channels....one Government funded, (very prim and proper back then) and one commercial channel (mostly funded by Religious groups). R-Rated movies really didn't get shown on TV back then unless they were edited to hell. Things like nudity, violence and extreme language didn't make it onto our screens as it does these days (standards of decency on TV/radio were higher back then). I understand that we grew up in different worlds so to speak, but don't agree at all about the standards of decency thing.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 9, 2012 23:15:37 GMT -5
I understand that we grew up in different worlds so to speak, but don't agree at all about the standards of decency thing. You think blatant sexual content, brutal violence and extreme language should be part of everyday prime time TV? I'm no wowser, but I don't. If you are going to bother showing R Rated movies on TV, then absolutely yes or do you prefer edits on TV like this: I have grown up with uncensored TV all my life, as Canada is much more laid back than America is and not as prudish. Having said that, I am incredibly against censorship - don't like what you or your kids see on TV, change the channel.
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Post by dute on Jan 9, 2012 23:48:13 GMT -5
I don't have kids but if I did I personally wouldn't let them watch that kind of stuff. There's a reason for its rating.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 0:02:39 GMT -5
I don't have kids but if I did I personally wouldn't let them watch that kind of stuff. There's a reason for its rating. Apparently, you're a prude. Not wanting your kids to watch R Rated movies is one thing, but to suggest that TV overall should be censored or has a lack of decency is something else completely.
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 2:06:51 GMT -5
I don't have kids but if I did I personally wouldn't let them watch that kind of stuff. There's a reason for its rating. Apparently, you're a prude. Well I'm a proud prude then. Billboards advertising sex, ads for clothing companies advertising sex, the pressure on kids to grow up faster than they should - it's not right IMO. I want kids to be kids. Sure, they're going to see this stuff at some point but I'll be damned if I don't try and let them be innocent for as long as they can be.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:13:34 GMT -5
Not wanting your kids to watch R Rated movies is one thing, but to suggest that TV overall should be censored or has a lack of decency is something else completely. There has to be some form of censorship. Also, there is a distinct lack of general decency on TV these days compared to years gone by. It's all about shocking and being confrontational, usually because there's dollars at the end of it. Why does there have to be some form of censorship? I think most people prefer television programming to be uncut, which is why they are willing to pay for HBO, Showtime and other cable networks. It's no different than movies that have become more intense. It's a sign of the times. Little House On The Prairie doesn't cut it anymore. You sort of sound like the religious Parents Television Council who complain about Family Guy every week.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:15:31 GMT -5
Apparently, you're a prude. Well I'm a proud prude then. Billboards advertising sex, ads for clothing companies advertising sex, the pressure on kids to grow up faster than they should - it's not right IMO. I want kids to be kids. Sure, they're going to see this stuff at some point but I'll be damned if I don't try and let them be innocent for as long as they can be. So you never saw R Rated movies growing up until you were 18? I am not sure your age, but I think most 80's kids, pretty much watched everything. From Lethal Weapon to Die Hard to Friday The 13 - kids were watching these R Rated movies.
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 2:21:20 GMT -5
Well I'm a proud prude then. Billboards advertising sex, ads for clothing companies advertising sex, the pressure on kids to grow up faster than they should - it's not right IMO. I want kids to be kids. Sure, they're going to see this stuff at some point but I'll be damned if I don't try and let them be innocent for as long as they can be. So you never saw R Rated movies growing up until you were 18? I am not sure your age, but I think most 80's kids, pretty much watched everything. From Lethal Weapon to Die Hard to Friday The 13 - kids were watching these R Rated movies. I'm sure at 16 or 17 I may have seen something that was rated R, but again I'm talking more about kids - 12 years old and under. What the heck do they need to see that kind of thing for? When kids are teens it's obviously a bit more difficult to control what they see. Again, this is my personal preference but I know my folks shielded me from anything they think might, as Cartman put it, warp my fragile little mind. I got to be a kid. And by God, am I glad.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:27:51 GMT -5
So you never saw R Rated movies growing up until you were 18? I am not sure your age, but I think most 80's kids, pretty much watched everything. From Lethal Weapon to Die Hard to Friday The 13 - kids were watching these R Rated movies. I'm sure at 16 or 17 I may have seen something that was rated R, but again I'm talking more about kids - 12 years old and under. What the heck do they need to see that kind of thing for? When kids are teens it's obviously a bit more difficult to control what they see. Again, this is my personal preference but I know my folks shielded me from anything they think might, as Cartman put it, warp my fragile little mind. I got to be a kid. And by God, am I glad. I totally got to be a kid in every possible way, but I had film enthusiast parents that showed me Alien when I was 10 and it was awesome. Trust me, I had one of the most incredible childhoods, but I think I am better off BECAUSE they showed me all sorts of films and it helped form the person that I am today. I guess you had to be there.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:33:26 GMT -5
You sort of sound like the religious Parents Television Council who complain about Family Guy every week. Gross exaggeration acknowledged. If it were absolutely uncensored, we may as well have porn, beheadings and God knows what else on there. Kids are heavily influenced by what they see and learn from TV and movies. I don't want my kids to have access to shit like that. That is an excessive point. You were talking about violence, nudity and swearing, which like it is in Canada - should be shown on all networks per the program. I don't want programming to be cut or edited. Don't fucking show The Sopranos on A&E if you are gonna cut the shit out of it.
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 2:34:03 GMT -5
I'm sure at 16 or 17 I may have seen something that was rated R, but again I'm talking more about kids - 12 years old and under. What the heck do they need to see that kind of thing for? When kids are teens it's obviously a bit more difficult to control what they see. Again, this is my personal preference but I know my folks shielded me from anything they think might, as Cartman put it, warp my fragile little mind. I got to be a kid. And by God, am I glad. I totally got to be a kid in every possible way, but I had film enthusiast parents that showed me Alien when I was 10 and it was awesome. Trust me, I had one of the most incredible childhoods, but I think I am better off BECAUSE they showed me all sorts of films and it helped form the person that I am today. I guess you had to be there. Fair enough; and again, this is my line of thinking so I mean no disrespect. I tend to think you don't know what is going to perhaps scare or disturb a child - hence the ratings. I think they're there for a reason. Much like the same ideals in place about drinking. There's a reason why the legal age is 18 (in Australia anyway). People younger than that can't handle it. How were your folks to know seeing that film wouldn't have scared the fuck out of you and stuck with you forever? No one does.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:35:58 GMT -5
I totally got to be a kid in every possible way, but I had film enthusiast parents that showed me Alien when I was 10 and it was awesome. Trust me, I had one of the most incredible childhoods, but I think I am better off BECAUSE they showed me all sorts of films and it helped form the person that I am today. I guess you had to be there. Not every kid is like you though. Some kids are very impressionable. Some kids take what they see and hear to heart. For somwe kids, that would be terrifying. I wouldn't let my kids watch alien. My step-sister's kid had nightmares and night terrors for ages after he watched Jaws at age 10. It unhinged him for a couple of years. I'm not saying that's the morm, but the possibility is that these things will have such an effect on a vulnerable psyche. I don't want my kids exposed to that shit at their age. Well since you weren't exposed to it like many 80's kids were and LED/ROVER, I can see why you wouldn't want your children to be exposed to it as well.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:41:25 GMT -5
I totally got to be a kid in every possible way, but I had film enthusiast parents that showed me Alien when I was 10 and it was awesome. Trust me, I had one of the most incredible childhoods, but I think I am better off BECAUSE they showed me all sorts of films and it helped form the person that I am today. I guess you had to be there. Fair enough; and again, this is my line of thinking so I mean no disrespect. I tend to think you don't know what is going to perhaps scare or disturb a child - hence the ratings. I think they're there for a reason. Much like the same ideals in place about drinking. There's a reason why the legal age is 18 (in Australia anyway). People younger than that can't handle it. How were your folks to know seeing that film wouldn't have scared the fuck out of you and stuck with you forever? No one does. They didn't know, but my parents were very artsy fartsy and they wanted their kids to share in that. As parents, they felt my brother and I could handle it and they were right. I owe my career to my parents - because they made me love film at a very young age. By the way, I also found my Dad's porno collection when I was 10 and became the hero of my street. I wouldn't trade those memories for all the bullshit Disney films in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 2:42:06 GMT -5
When I was younger, in Australia in the 70's, TV wasn't very promiscuous or pushing the envelope. My parents didn't really have much they had to restrict me from. Bed time was 8.30 pm, so anything that was showwing "bad" stuff was usually on after I'd gone to bed.
Iahev an 11 year old daughter and 7 year old son. The stuff we don't let them watch is the stuff that we know (and they know) that will scare them. If it's stuff that is borderline, we'll watch it with them.
R rated? I don't allow Government censors to determine what my kids can and can't watch. My wife and I will make that decision. The "off" switch works very well in our household.
All the censorship in the world will never be better than good parenting.
Have to agree with Hey Man, that if networks have decided to broadcast a show, then broadcast it complete or not at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 2:43:56 GMT -5
Truth be told, R rated movies or TV shows aren't the scariest thing on TV. Two things last year scared my daughter more than anything else. The passing of her grandmother and watching 9/11 footage and documentaries with me. Ral life is much more damaging to kids than anything fictional on the box.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:45:19 GMT -5
Well since you weren't exposed to it like many 80's kids were and LED/ROVER, I can see why you wouldn't want your children to be exposed to it as well. Did you even read what I said? That point has nothing to do with the 70s, the 80s or any period. I'm talking about kids I KNOW now, and what is out there in their world now. Of course I read what you said - I was simply saying that if you watched R Rated movies when you were a kid (which you said you didn't), you might allow your children to do the same with certain R Rated films. Even 80's R Rated films.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 2:49:26 GMT -5
Did you even read what I said? That point has nothing to do with the 70s, the 80s or any period. I'm talking about kids I KNOW now, and what is out there in their world now. Of course I read what you said - I was simply saying that if you watched R Rated movies when you were a kid (which you said you didn't), you might allow your children to do the same with certain R Rated films. Even 80's R Rated films. There's plenty of movies I saw as a kid (R rated or not) that I wouldn't let my kids watch today. My kids aren't me. I can't base what they'd like on how I reacted 30 years ago. I know my kids well enough to know what they'd enjoy and what they won't. Jaws is being shown on TV tonight in Sydney. No way are my kids watching it, yet I saw it as an 11 year old.
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 2:53:44 GMT -5
Did you even read what I said? That point has nothing to do with the 70s, the 80s or any period. I'm talking about kids I KNOW now, and what is out there in their world now. Of course I read what you said - I was simply saying that if you watched R Rated movies when you were a kid (which you said you didn't), you might allow your children to do the same with certain R Rated films. Even 80's R Rated films. I'm sure you appreciate the differences between then and now with kids on a whole being forced into a more adult world in all aspects and the greater need to enforce some kind of boundaries for them. At the same time I'm not saying kids need to be wrapped in cotton wool but would prefer they're at a decent age to have a greater understanding of what they're about to see. I recall my folks watching Nightmare on Elm street - I happened to pop into the room as a kid, seeing what was on screen for a split second, and freaking the fuck out.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:54:40 GMT -5
They didn't know, but my parents were very artsy fartsy and they wanted their kids to share in that. As parents, they felt my brother and I could handle it and they were right. I owe my career to my parents - because they made me love film at a very young age. By the way, I also found my Dad's porno collection when I was 10 and became the hero of my street. I wouldn't trade those memories for all the bullshit Disney films in the world. Disney films are bullshit? Oh yes, but some of the Pixar films are quite good like The Incredibles.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 2:58:21 GMT -5
Of course I read what you said - I was simply saying that if you watched R Rated movies when you were a kid (which you said you didn't), you might allow your children to do the same with certain R Rated films. Even 80's R Rated films. There's plenty of movies I saw as a kid (R rated or not) that I wouldn't let my kids watch today. My kids aren't me. I can't base what they'd like on how I reacted 30 years ago. I know my kids well enough to know what they'd enjoy and what they won't. Jaws is being shown on TV tonight in Sydney. No way are my kids watching it, yet I saw it as an 11 year old. Well if it's not a film you think they would enjoy, I am not suggesting you hold them down and staple their eyes open to watch it. But if they already have a like for action films or sci-fi - maybe you will show them Terminator or whatever film in a genre you already know they like.
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Post by dute on Jan 10, 2012 3:02:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade those memories for all the bullshit Disney films in the world. I feel multiple smitings coming on.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2012 3:04:47 GMT -5
I'm sure you appreciate the differences between then and now with kids on a whole being forced into a more adult world in all aspects and the greater need to enforce some kind of boundaries for them. At the same time I'm not saying kids need to be wrapped in cotton wool but would prefer they're at a decent age to have a greater understanding of what they're about to see. I recall my folks watching Nightmare on Elm street - I happened to pop into the room as a kid, seeing what was on screen for a split second, and freaking the fuck out. I don't think he cares about that kinda stuff, to be honest. I absolutely care, but I would also want my kids to experience the same awesome moments with film that I experienced as a child. If I had a time machine, I would go back to relive those moments. I would be a hypocrite to not let my children experience the same as a film ethusiast parent like my parents were.
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