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Post by lugnut on Feb 13, 2012 19:24:53 GMT -5
An exceptionally silly thread from the exceptionally silly Steve Hoffman Forums that I just had to link to: stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=276623It's 21 fucking pages right now, but here's some fun highlights: And It just goes on like this. Morans, indeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 20:01:52 GMT -5
LOL! Wow......both bands I suppose would equal each other's credibility, but for differing reasons.
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Post by dute on Feb 13, 2012 20:30:59 GMT -5
And It just goes on like this. Morans, indeed. LOL this is golden. If you're going to insult a bunch of people and rise above with your 'intelligence' be damn sure you have checked your spelling. "Retarded teens" - nice to see this idiot has a grasp on the English language and can throw around big words like 'retarded'. Tool. |
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Post by Ack on Feb 14, 2012 15:01:28 GMT -5
I love both bands. 'Nuff said.
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Post by Hey Man on Feb 14, 2012 15:58:32 GMT -5
Aah, I remember when the fools at the faq were doing these silly vs threads, Vandeley will remember, I came up with my own 'Tales From Topographic Oceans vs Hotter Than Hell' LOL Tales From Topographic Oceans is my favorite Rush album. |
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Post by Hey Man on Feb 14, 2012 15:59:42 GMT -5
The difference between The Romones and KISS is that The Romones have street cred that KISS doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 17:18:39 GMT -5
The difference between The Romones and KISS is that The Romones have street cred that KISS doesn't. Actually, not really. At one time, yes. Kiss has street cred now. They didn't at one time. You see a shit load of "cool" artists name drop Kiss...and this started back in the early 90s. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 17:38:03 GMT -5
The difference? One of them was profitable and made lots of money.
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Post by allyourlies on Feb 15, 2012 2:54:49 GMT -5
yep and One, nobody cares about.
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Post by Ack on Feb 15, 2012 8:36:20 GMT -5
Ramones started an entire genre, musical style and social movement. Anybody who isn't aware of the Ramones' influence is ignorant of music history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 9:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by B5Erik on Feb 15, 2012 9:51:32 GMT -5
The Ramones didn't invent Punk. They refined it and defined it, but they didn't invent it.
The roots of Punk go back to the Kinks in the 60's, and then later with the MC5 and the Stooges.
Just like KISS didn't invent face make-up, they just defined it and took that image to a new level.
Both bands are very similar. One played catchy ultra-simple music and had a easily recognizable image, the other played somewhat simple catchy music and had an even more easily recognizable image. Both were great at what they did.
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Post by Ack on Feb 15, 2012 10:53:14 GMT -5
The Ramones didn't invent Punk. They refined it and defined it, but they didn't invent it. The roots of Punk go back to the Kinks in the 60's, and then later with the MC5 and the Stooges. Just like KISS didn't invent face make-up, they just defined it and took that image to a new level. Both bands are very similar. One played catchy ultra-simple music and had a easily recognizable image, the other played somewhat simple catchy music and had an even more easily recognizable image. Both were great at what they did. The Ramones were one of the very first bands to be labeled "punk" and are considered the Godfathers of the genre. The Kinks and The Stooges may have just helped lay some of the groundwork but weren't standard bearers for what would become punk. Although the Ramones themselves usually defined themselves as "just a rock and roll band" rather than punk. |
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Post by lugnut on Feb 15, 2012 11:04:07 GMT -5
The Ramones didn't invent Punk. They refined it and defined it, but they didn't invent it. The roots of Punk go back to the Kinks in the 60's, and then later with the MC5 and the Stooges. Just like KISS didn't invent face make-up, they just defined it and took that image to a new level. Both bands are very similar. One played catchy ultra-simple music and had a easily recognizable image, the other played somewhat simple catchy music and had an even more easily recognizable image. Both were great at what they did. The Ramones were one of the very first bands to be labeled "punk" and are considered the Godfathers of the genre. The Kinks and The Stooges may have just helped lay some of the groundwork but weren't standard bearers for what would become punk. Although the Ramones themselves usually defined themselves as "just a rock and roll band" rather than punk. And that's why I quoted the guy from the original thread who said they "invented" punk as one of the silly examples. No doubt they're hugely important to the genre, but saying they invented it is sort of akin to Cbingham saying Nirvana "invented grunge." I don't hear much more to the Ramones' early music than '50s-style rock-n-roll cranked up to 11. |
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Post by Ack on Feb 15, 2012 11:19:32 GMT -5
There are alot of parallels between the two bands.
For one, they were all part of the same NY music scene (Joey Ramone recalled seeing KISS at some of the early show at Coventry, etc.). Jerry Nolan of the NY Dolls was a close friend of both Peter Criss and Dee Dee Ramone.
How they conducted their bands were similar as well. The Ramones' iconic four guys in leather jackets and jeans look was no accident. Right from the start they were very aware of the benefit of visual presence. The stage show was crafted and choreographed for precision (they even attempted pyro for a brief period..only lasted two shows). They cared about the light show. Even the stage set itself was measured out for specific dimensions bewteen the PA columns, drum riser and back line to maximize visual impact and present the band in the best way. They didn't want a stage set that made the band seem small by comparison. These specific dimensions were even a part of their tour riders.
They even have their own Tommy Thayer-esque issues: When original bassist and main songwriter Dee Dee left the band in '89 they replaced him with CJ. They had CJ dress in the Ramones uniform of leather jacket and jeans. They even had CJ play a bass that was the same model and color as Dee Dee's bass (a black and white Fender P-bass), take over singing Dee Dee's signature live song "Wart Hog" and was charged with the infamous "1234!" countoff before each tune (also Dee Dee's job). Dee Dee continued to write songs for the band even afterr his departure and the majority of those tunes were given to CJ to sing.
Johnny was the unabashed businessman of the band much like Gene. He kept strict track of all the bands financial dealings, sales, royalties, expenses. He always saw the band as an investment on his future and due to his tight bookkeeping, when the Ramones retired in '96, Johnny was able to do just that: retire without needing to do anything else to sustain his income.
As the '90's dawned the band realized that they would never get that big mainstream break they'd been expecting and embraced their status as a legendary cult band. They knew what the hardcore fans wanted and were happy to continue just being The Ramones. They never tried to update their sound to the point of being unrecognizable in order to try to break through.
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Post by Ack on Feb 15, 2012 11:25:47 GMT -5
The Ramones were one of the very first bands to be labeled "punk" and are considered the Godfathers of the genre. The Kinks and The Stooges may have just helped lay some of the groundwork but weren't standard bearers for what would become punk. Although the Ramones themselves usually defined themselves as "just a rock and roll band" rather than punk. And that's why I quoted the guy from the original thread who said they "invented" punk as one of the silly examples. No doubt they're hugely important to the genre, but saying they invented it is sort of akin to Cbingham saying Nirvana "invented grunge." I don't hear much more to the Ramones' early music than '50s-style rock-n-roll cranked up to 11. Well, maybe they didn't invent punk outright, but they are considered to be one of the founding bands of the movement. Punk bands that came after had much more in common wth the Ramones than they ever did with the Kinks. They certainly were one of the single biggest influences in molding the classic punk sound. And you're right about the '50's influences. Joey especially was a huge surf and bubblegum fan. The early punks at the time had more in common with greasers and rockabilly than hippies and progressive rock bands as far as roots go. It was blue collar, working class music. |
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Post by Ack on Feb 15, 2012 11:39:19 GMT -5
And that's why I quoted the guy from the original thread who said they "invented" punk as one of the silly examples. No doubt they're hugely important to the genre, but saying they invented it is sort of akin to Cbingham saying Nirvana "invented grunge." Correction: CBingham says Nirvana invented the entire genre of alternative music. Guess he never heard of The Melvins. |
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Post by Ack on Feb 15, 2012 12:00:11 GMT -5
Guess he never heard of The Melvins. Or The Velvet Underground, or apparently, in his own timeframe, REM, The Cure, etc. He did take a rock history course so he does know more than us mere mortals. Judging by his working rock and roll knowledge and the fact that he doesn't understand how anyone could like The Beatles, I'd say the education system has failed once again. |
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Post by purpleplanet on Feb 15, 2012 16:43:45 GMT -5
No offense to the ramones, but i couldnt name one song they sing.
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Post by Ack on Feb 15, 2012 17:56:41 GMT -5
No offense to the ramones, but i couldnt name one song they sing. I'm sure you've heard more than you think you have. |
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