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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 17:34:57 GMT -5
No one is talking about this film. I wonder why? Who here has seen it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 17:51:36 GMT -5
Will see it ASAP, getting out to a movie is hard. Friends that I trust dug it a lot... I have been told the film is basically a 2 hour + video game battle. Apparently most of the film is CGI - even the dwarves and elves.
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Post by Hey Man on Dec 25, 2014 22:49:57 GMT -5
Will see it ASAP, getting out to a movie is hard. Friends that I trust dug it a lot... I have been told the film is basically a 2 hour + video game battle. Apparently most of the film is CGI - even the dwarves and elves. Whatever you have been told must be a mistake - Peter Jackson doesn't like big budget Hollywood movies full of CGI. That's why you won't see him do a Marvel movie. He is a real filmmaker.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 23:19:00 GMT -5
I have been told the film is basically a 2 hour + video game battle. Apparently most of the film is CGI - even the dwarves and elves. Whatever you have been told must be a mistake - Peter Jackson doesn't like big budget Hollywood movies full of CGI. That's why you won't see him do a Marvel movie. He is a real filmmaker. It's a good thing Sir Peter Jackson is restraining himself with these films, only using CGI when he has to, like that one scene where CGI Legolas rides a CGI horse:
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Post by Hey Man on Dec 25, 2014 23:22:40 GMT -5
Apparently this movie is a real piece of shit. That's really all that I have heard from people and critics who generally love these movies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 23:28:53 GMT -5
Apparently this movie is a real piece of shit. That's really all that I have heard from people and critics who generally love these movies. I've been told the same thing. I plan on editing these films into a 4 hour movie when the extended cut of the third one comes out. I've already started planning the first two. That will be my project for next year.
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Post by R&ROVER on Dec 26, 2014 9:24:37 GMT -5
Berardinelli, a critic often posted here for his opinion, loved it.
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Post by R&ROVER on Dec 26, 2014 9:36:26 GMT -5
Bottom line is that I hear it's comparable with the other Hobbit films. Some say it's the best of them, some the worst....but it's grade is in the ballpark of the other Hobbit films. Depends entirely on the critic. At this point you either are interested or not interested. Most think the entire series fails to live up to LOTR and I agree -- while finding these films very enjoyable still. If you don't know what to expect out of a massive Peter Jackson battle by now, well....
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Post by Ford GT on Dec 26, 2014 23:25:24 GMT -5
Will see it ASAP, getting out to a movie is hard. Friends that I trust dug it a lot... I have been told the film is basically a 2 hour + video game battle. Apparently most of the film is CGI - even the dwarves and elves. Right up Destroyer72's alley then ha ha! I want to see it but haven't made it to the theater yet (and probably won't until next weekend). Watched the extended edition of Desolation (jeez did they add SO much already or what).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 23:39:43 GMT -5
So my dad "surprised" me today with tickets to the movie. For some reason he thought I wanted to see it even though I've told him over and over how much I hated the last one and how I had no interest in seeing the third. Whatever. Was neat seeing the Episode VII trailer on the big screen. The critics are wrong about this movie. It doesn't deserve the 60% it currently has on RT; it should be much lower than that. The Battle of the Five Armies is by far the worst of the three Hobbit films. As much as I disliked the last one, there were at least some parts I enjoyed. This film has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I'm not going to go into detail about why I didn't like it; I want to wipe this abomination from memory. It has almost completely ruined The Lord of the Rings Trilogy for me. Now I know how Star Wars fans felt after watching The Phantom Menace in '99.
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Post by Hey Man on Dec 26, 2014 23:54:29 GMT -5
So my dad "surprised" me today with tickets to the movie. For some reason he thought I wanted to see it even though I've told him over and over how much I hated the last one and how I had no interest in seeing the third. Whatever. Was neat seeing the Episode VII trailer on the big screen. The critics are wrong about this movie. It doesn't deserve the 60% it currently has on RT; it should be much lower than that. The Battle of the Five Armies is by far the worst of the three Hobbit films. As much as I disliked the last one, there were at least some parts I enjoyed. This film has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I'm not going to go into detail about why I didn't like it; I want to wipe this abomination from memory. It has almost completely ruined The Lord of the Rings Trilogy for me. Now I know how Star Wars fans felt after watching The Phantom Menace. When I read that the critics were wrong about this movie - I thought you were going to say that the movie was awesome. How was the non-blockbuster, non-CGI final battle that Jackson directed. Was that cool at the very least?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 2:00:21 GMT -5
So my dad "surprised" me today with tickets to the movie. For some reason he thought I wanted to see it even though I've told him over and over how much I hated the last one and how I had no interest in seeing the third. Whatever. Was neat seeing the Episode VII trailer on the big screen. The critics are wrong about this movie. It doesn't deserve the 60% it currently has on RT; it should be much lower than that. The Battle of the Five Armies is by far the worst of the three Hobbit films. As much as I disliked the last one, there were at least some parts I enjoyed. This film has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I'm not going to go into detail about why I didn't like it; I want to wipe this abomination from memory. It has almost completely ruined The Lord of the Rings Trilogy for me. Now I know how Star Wars fans felt after watching The Phantom Menace in '99. When I read that the critics were wrong about this movie - I thought you were going to say that the movie was awesome. How was the non-blockbuster, non-CGI final battle that Jackson directed. Was that cool at the very least? Yeah it was very well done. CGI was sparse - I couldn't tell what was real or not. Orlando Bloom pulls off some incredible gravity defying stunts here; at one point he even uses a crumbling tower as stepping stones to elevate himself. Just awesome.
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Post by R&ROVER on Dec 27, 2014 14:20:47 GMT -5
Exactly.
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Post by B5Erik on Dec 27, 2014 14:49:10 GMT -5
I took the family to see it yesterday, and I've got to say that it is definitely the weakest of the three.
There is just very little story there. If it were based on the amount of story and plot that is put forward the movie would be about 75 minutes long, including battle scenes.
I'd say the best of the three was the 2nd, and the weakest was this one. It was disappointing. It's bloated and counts on all the extended battle scenes to carry it through it's near 2 1/2 hour run time. The opening doesn't even feel as much a part of this movie as the ending to the last one, too.
They could have easily just made this a pair of movies, with shorter battle scenes, and it would have been much better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 15:41:57 GMT -5
Yeah it was very well done. CGI was sparse - I couldn't tell what was real or not. Orlando Bloom pulls off some incredible gravity defying stunts here; at one point he even uses a crumbling tower as stepping stones to elevate himself. Just awesome. So it's on par with ROTK? You are fucking kidding me...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 16:23:06 GMT -5
You are fucking kidding me... Yeah, Legolas surfing on a shield wasn't retarded or anything. The whole movie is full of stupid shit like that. That was just one example. Enjoy it - I'm sure you will.
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Post by Hey Man on Dec 27, 2014 16:46:23 GMT -5
Yeah, Legolas surfing on a shield wasn't retarded or anything. The whole movie is full of stupid shit like that. That was just one example. Enjoy it - I'm sure you will. These movies are LED's movie kryptonite - usually he is extremely critical with other blockbuster type movies, but he is defenseless against the Tolkien movies and eats this shit up.
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Post by R&ROVER on Dec 27, 2014 20:43:36 GMT -5
You shouldn't apologize for liking what you like. LED doesn't express a lack of criticism, just not the same level of vitriol others might. Those two things are not the same thing. Basically it comes down to people who hate shit not understanding why others don't just naturally agree with them. Too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:47:07 GMT -5
You shouldn't apologize for liking what you like. LED doesn't express a lack of criticism, just not the same level of vitriol others might. Those two things are not the same thing. Basically it comes down to people who hate shit not understanding why others don't just naturally agree with them. Too bad. It's laughable to criticize other blockbuster films for having weak stories and being over-reliant on special effects and then give the Hobbit films a thumbs up for doing the exact same thing but worse. BotFA is more tech-demo than movie; Peter Jackson showing off his latest toys. Bilbo, the main character, is left twiddling his thumbs for two and a half hours with almost nothing to do, as if Jackson got so carried away with his new CGI toys he forgot all about him. How is that acceptable, coming from the director of the almost flawless LOTR Trilogy? You can't just shrug it off without sounding like a hypocrite.
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Post by Hey Man on Dec 27, 2014 22:46:51 GMT -5
You shouldn't apologize for liking what you like. LED doesn't express a lack of criticism, just not the same level of vitriol others might. Those two things are not the same thing. Basically it comes down to people who hate shit not understanding why others don't just naturally agree with them. Too bad. It's laughable to criticize other blockbuster films for having weak stories and being over-reliant on special effects and then give the Hobbit films a thumbs up for doing the exact same thing but worse. BotFA is more tech-demo than movie; Peter Jackson showing off his latest toys. Bilbo, the main character, is left twiddling his thumbs for two and a half hours with almost nothing to do, as if Jackson got so carried away with his new CGI toys he forgot all about him. How is that acceptable, coming from the director of the almost flawless LOTR Trilogy? You can't just say shrug it off without sounding like a hypocrite. Absolutely right. I wouldn't think that this needed to be said. If one is going to shit all over every CGI filled blockbuster that comes out, it is completely hypocritical to give a pass to The Hobbit, when it's actually much worse than many of those other blockbuster films and LOTR fans are the ones that are actually saying that.
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Post by Hey Man on Dec 27, 2014 23:28:42 GMT -5
It's laughable to criticize other blockbuster films for having weak stories and being over-reliant on special effects and then give the Hobbit films a thumbs up for doing the exact same thing but worse. BotFA is more tech-demo than movie; Peter Jackson showing off his latest toys. Bilbo, the main character, is left twiddling his thumbs for two and a half hours with almost nothing to do, as if Jackson got so carried away with his new CGI toys he forgot all about him. How is that acceptable, coming from the director of the almost flawless LOTR Trilogy? You can't just say shrug it off without sounding like a hypocrite. The Hobbit is a weak story? LOL I've agreed completely that this trilogy is extremely bloated and the additions to make them so detract immensely from what is flawless source material that needed nothing added to it. I also agree the overreliance on CGI heavy action set pieces is disappointing. But, like Hey Man will sit and wank himself silly to talking raccoons and monosyllabic trees because he loves the source material, it's the same for me here. I grew up with the Tolkien books as my favorite literary works so I can be somewhat forgiving. I think it's laughable to suggest the first LOTR trilogy is "almost flawless", ROTK is a fucking mess that completely falls apart in the end, or should I say it's multiple ends. To devote the amount of time it does to absolutely fucking nothing happening and then say there wasn't time for the Scouring of the Shire which is actually extremely important to the fucking story, well... Apparently Jackson's adaptation of The Hobbit is weak as fuck. That has nothing to do with the book. Plenty of great books have been turned into shitty scripts and awful movies. That is what Hobbit fans are saying here. You love Star Wars too, but you are able to recognize that the prequels are dogshit. Is The Hobbit going to be for you, what the prequels are for ROVER? Making excuses for shitty movies?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 23:44:01 GMT -5
The Hobbit is a weak story? LOL Obviously I am talking about the third movie here, where the story is almost non-existent. Not the book. And ROTK - the film most fans and critics consider the best of the three - is a mess? That's new. It made perfect sense not to include the Scouring of the Shire at the end of the third film. It would have been anticlimactic. There are a lot of things left out from the books that I would have loved to see; Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire are not among them. The LOTR Trilogy is considered to be one of, if not the best film trilogies ever. You sound like a Star Wars Prequel apologist: "yeah well the originals had their share of faults too".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 16:14:23 GMT -5
Obviously I am talking about the third movie here, where the story is almost non-existent. Not the book. And ROTK - the film most fans and critics consider the best of the three - is a mess? That's new. It made perfect sense not to include the Scouring of the Shire at the end of the third film. It would have been anticlimactic. There are a lot of things left out from the books that I would have loved to see; Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire are not among them. The LOTR Trilogy is considered to be one of, if not the best film trilogies ever. You sound like a Star Wars Prequel apologist: "yeah well the originals had their share of faults too". Actually, amongst LOTR fans ROTK is considered the weakest of the three films. Too much focus on the big battles and the multiple endings drag it all down to a looooong crawl. Tom Bombadil was never popular among fans of the book. The Scouring of the Shire anticlimactic though? Have you read the fucking thing? Of course I've fucking read it. How is the Scouring not anticlimactic? It already felt tacked on in the book and it would have detracted from the real climax of the films story - Sauron and the One Ring being destroyed. From strictly a movie standpoint, it makes far more sense to end things there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 19:36:39 GMT -5
Of course I've fucking read it. How is the Scouring not anticlimactic? It already felt tacked on in the book and it would have detracted from the real climax of the films story - Sauron and the One Ring being destroyed. From strictly a movie standpoint, it makes far more sense to end things there. Sure, I suppose the multiple endings were plenty climactic. Everyone gathered around Frodo in bed, much more exciting than Wormtongue slitting Saruman's throat and the Hobbits shooting him full of arrows... Jackson handled Saruman's death well enough in the extended version. It's a change I agree was necessary. The ending of RotK was fine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 22:13:53 GMT -5
We'll agree to disagree. If watching a bunch of guys looking like they're about to start pounding each other's asses staring lovingly at each other for 30 minutes is your idea of a perfect ending...
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Post by R&ROVER on Dec 28, 2014 22:18:48 GMT -5
We'll agree to disagree. If watching a bunch of guys looking like they're about to start pounding each other's asses staring lovingly at each other for 30 minutes is your idea of a perfect ending... Ooh....solid comeback. Good point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 22:36:06 GMT -5
Ooh....solid comeback. Good point. I'm not trying to make a point or comeback. What the fuck, Rover? LED and I have both said all we have to say. His comment reminded me of that scene so I posted it for a laugh. I thought it was funny.
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Post by R&ROVER on Dec 28, 2014 22:43:29 GMT -5
I thought it was funny too and thus my taken-too-seriously reply.
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Post by Hey Man on Dec 28, 2014 22:56:34 GMT -5
We'll agree to disagree. If watching a bunch of guys looking like they're about to start pounding each other's asses staring lovingly at each other for 30 minutes is your idea of a perfect ending... To be fair - Rocky and Apollo fight again. Does that count as not gay?
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Post by Cducharme on Dec 28, 2014 23:16:15 GMT -5
Says my fellow fan of Foundation
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