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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 15:49:05 GMT -5
In another thread, Hey Man said he couldn't understand why Motley Crue (and several other big glam metal bands) were so influential. So influential, that in fact were indirectly responsible for making Whitesnake a household name. Watch this entire program, it's a lot of fun, or you can skip to the Whitesnake part and go to 21:45.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 15:53:17 GMT -5
I have to agree here. Coverdale followed the trend, that can't be denied.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 16:35:24 GMT -5
In another thread, Hey Man said he couldn't understand why Motley Crue (and several other big glam metal bands) were so influential. So influential, that in fact were indirectly responsible for making Whitesnake a household name. Watch this entire program, it's a lot of fun, or you can skip to the Whitesnake part and go to 21:45. I have already seen it and I agree with Coverdale's position that MTV helped make Whitesnake along with John Kalodner's vision to make Whitesnake work with American audiences. Whitesnake wasn't trying to be Motley Crue and were not influenced by them at all directly or indirectly. Kalodner didn't sign Whitesnake to Geffen, because of bands like Motley Crue. There was nothing glam about Kalodner's American version of Slide It In. He signed Whitesnake to Geffen in 1983 (same year Shout came out), because he personally dug the band and wanted to break them in America when Geffen released Slide It In in 1984. Are you suggesting that 80's Aerosmith were influenced by Motley Crue as well? Because Kalodner just took his blueprint for 80's Aerosmith and applied it to Whitesnake. As stated in the doc, I will concede that many bands at the time were using the same video directors and stylists and other shit, but Whitesnake have more in common with 70's bands trying to make it in the 80's like Aerosmith, Van Hagar and the like as opposed to Motley Crue and Ratt. This is a 70's band in the 80's. There is no Motley Crue here as Whitesnake are reintroduced to the world. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 16:49:49 GMT -5
In another thread, Hey Man said he couldn't understand why Motley Crue (and several other big glam metal bands) were so influential. So influential, that in fact were indirectly responsible for making Whitesnake a household name. Watch this entire program, it's a lot of fun, or you can skip to the Whitesnake part and go to 21:45. I have already seen it and I agree with Coverdale's position that MTV helped make Whitesnake along with John Kalodner's vision to make Whitesnake work with American audiences. Whitesnake wasn't trying to be Motley Crue and were not influenced by them at all directly or indirectly. Kalodner didn't sign Whitesnake to Geffen, because of bands like Motley Crue. There was nothing glam about Kalodner's American version of Slide It In. He signed Whitesnake to Geffen in 1983 (same year Shout came out), because he personally dug the band and wanted to break them in America when Geffen released Slide It In in 1984. Are you suggesting that 80's Aerosmith were influenced by Motley Crue as well? Because Kalodner just took his blueprint for 80's Aerosmith and applied it to Whitesnake. As stated in the doc, I will concede that many bands at the time were using the same video directors and stylists and other shit, but Whitesnake have more in common with 70's bands trying to make it in the 80's like Aerosmith, Van Hagar and the like as opposed to Motley Crue and Ratt. This is a 70's band in the 80's. There is no Motley Crue here as Whitesnake are reintroduced to the world. Delusional. Coverdale and company jumped on the hair metal bandwagon for sure. You can deny all you want, doesn't change shit. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 16:51:31 GMT -5
And the Aerosmith comparison is ignorant. Aerosmith had already made it big in the 70's...nobody knew WS in the 70's. Many thought 1987 was WS debut at the time.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 16:52:12 GMT -5
I have already seen it and I agree with Coverdale's position that MTV helped make Whitesnake along with John Kalodner's vision to make Whitesnake work with American audiences. Whitesnake wasn't trying to be Motley Crue and were not influenced by them at all directly or indirectly. Kalodner didn't sign Whitesnake to Geffen, because of bands like Motley Crue. There was nothing glam about Kalodner's American version of Slide It In. He signed Whitesnake to Geffen in 1983 (same year Shout came out), because he personally dug the band and wanted to break them in America when Geffen released Slide It In in 1984. Are you suggesting that 80's Aerosmith were influenced by Motley Crue as well? Because Kalodner just took his blueprint for 80's Aerosmith and applied it to Whitesnake. As stated in the doc, I will concede that many bands at the time were using the same video directors and stylists and other shit, but Whitesnake have more in common with 70's bands trying to make it in the 80's like Aerosmith, Van Hagar and the like as opposed to Motley Crue and Ratt. This is a 70's band in the 80's. There is no Motley Crue here as Whitesnake are reintroduced to the world. Delusional. Coverdale and company jumped on the hair metal bandwagon for sure. You can deny all you want, doesn't change shit. Then I guess Aerosmith did too, since Kalodner did the exact same thing for Whitesnake as he did for Aerosmith. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 16:52:49 GMT -5
Delusional. Coverdale and company jumped on the hair metal bandwagon for sure. You can deny all you want, doesn't change shit. Then I guess Aerosmith did too, since Kalodner did the exact same thing for Whitesnake as he did for Aerosmith. See previous post. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 16:54:03 GMT -5
And the Aerosmith comparison is ignorant. Aerosmith had already made it big in the 70's...nobody knew WS in the 70's. Many thought 1987 was WS debut at the time. It's not ignorant at all - it was the same guy behind the changing style and sound of both bands. Kalodner had a blueprint that he applied to many bands on Geffen and they often used the same producers, etc. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 16:56:39 GMT -5
Then I guess Aerosmith did too, since Kalodner did the exact same thing for Whitesnake as he did for Aerosmith. See previous post. I did - it was stupid. Kalodner and Coverdale were never trying to be Motley Crue and they weren't inspired by Motley Crue. Kalodner did to Whitesnake what he was doing for many bands at Geffen. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 16:57:57 GMT -5
And the Aerosmith comparison is ignorant. Aerosmith had already made it big in the 70's...nobody knew WS in the 70's. Many thought 1987 was WS debut at the time. It's not ignorant at all - it was the same guy behind the changing style and sound of both bands. Kalodner had a blueprint that he applied to many bands on Geffen and they often used the same producers, etc. And in WS case they decided to jump on glam metal bandwagon. For Aerosmith it was a comeback...and really a turn towards pop. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:02:47 GMT -5
It's not ignorant at all - it was the same guy behind the changing style and sound of both bands. Kalodner had a blueprint that he applied to many bands on Geffen and they often used the same producers, etc. And in WS case they decided to jump on glam metal bandwagon. For Aerosmith it was a comeback...and really a turn towards pop. It was the exact same Kalodner recipe applied to both bands, include the same video director - Marty Callner who did all the Aeromsith videos and Whitesnake videos. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 17:04:35 GMT -5
And in WS case they decided to jump on glam metal bandwagon. For Aerosmith it was a comeback...and really a turn towards pop. It was the exact same Kalodner recipe applied to both bands, include the same video director - Marty Callner who did all the Aeromsith videos and Whitesnake videos. Whatever you say...we all know you can't handle the truth about Whitesnake. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 17:08:47 GMT -5
Why did Whitesnake tease their hair, get somebody like Rudy Sarzo in the band and wear make-up if they weren't in some way influenced by the glam metal scene? Sure, they had been a band in the 70's, but with hardly a following, unlike Aerosmith, who were HUGE in the 70's. And, I would say YES, also, that HEART, Aerosmith, Kiss, etc. were influenced by the L.A. metal scene as well. They had to become relevant again somehow, and the biggest thing happening in metal music was glam. So, even if the songs weren't necessarily like Motley (and they weren't, they were more in line with Foreigner), you can't deny that they "chased" the glam trend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 17:09:54 GMT -5
And, as a result of chasing that trend, became a household name.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:11:42 GMT -5
It was the exact same Kalodner recipe applied to both bands, include the same video director - Marty Callner who did all the Aeromsith videos and Whitesnake videos. Whatever you say...we all know you can't handle the truth about Whitesnake. If you actually look at the facts and know what you are talking about - you would see that I am right. Kalodner just applied his vision and recipe for Aerosmith and applied it to Whitesnake. The same people hired behind the scenes to assist with Aerosmith's comeback, were the same people hired to help break Whitesnake. Nobody was thinking - hey let's see what Motley Crue is doing and copy that. And like Aerosmith, Kalodner hired Bruce Fairbairn to produce Slip Of The Tongue, but his schedule was too full and he couldn't do it, so they picked Mike Clink and Keith Olsen instead. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 17:12:12 GMT -5
Why did Whitesnake tease their hair, get somebody like Rudy Sarzo in the band and wear make-up if they weren't in some way influenced by the glam metal scene? Sure, they had been a band in the 70's, but with hardly a following, unlike Aerosmith, who were HUGE in the 70's. And, I would say YES, also, that HEART, Aerosmith, Kiss, etc. were influenced by the L.A. metal scene as well. They had to become relevant again somehow, and the biggest thing happening in metal music was glam. So, even if the songs weren't necessarily like Motley (and they weren't, they were more in line with Foreigner), you can't deny that they "chased" the glam trend. Spot on SCB. He just can't accept it. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:14:26 GMT -5
Why did Whitesnake tease their hair, get somebody like Rudy Sarzo in the band and wear make-up if they weren't in some way influenced by the glam metal scene? Sure, they had been a band in the 70's, but with hardly a following, unlike Aerosmith, who were HUGE in the 70's. And, I would say YES, also, that HEART, Aerosmith, Kiss, etc. were influenced by the L.A. metal scene as well. They had to become relevant again somehow, and the biggest thing happening in metal music was glam. So, even if the songs weren't necessarily like Motley (and they weren't, they were more in line with Foreigner), you can't deny that they "chased" the glam trend. So every band that had big hair in the late 80's needs to bow down to Motley Crue? And what does getting Rudy Sarzo in the band have to do with anything? |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:15:22 GMT -5
Why did Whitesnake tease their hair, get somebody like Rudy Sarzo in the band and wear make-up if they weren't in some way influenced by the glam metal scene? Sure, they had been a band in the 70's, but with hardly a following, unlike Aerosmith, who were HUGE in the 70's. And, I would say YES, also, that HEART, Aerosmith, Kiss, etc. were influenced by the L.A. metal scene as well. They had to become relevant again somehow, and the biggest thing happening in metal music was glam. So, even if the songs weren't necessarily like Motley (and they weren't, they were more in line with Foreigner), you can't deny that they "chased" the glam trend. Spot on SCB. He just can't accept it. I would accept it if I completely ignored the MAJOR John Kalodner factor that you are ignoring. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 17:17:20 GMT -5
Spot on SCB. He just can't accept it. I would accept it if I completely ignored the MAJOR John Kalodner factor that you are ignoring. Not ignoring anything. Kalodner knew what he was doing...getting WS on the hair band train. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 17:17:55 GMT -5
Why did Whitesnake tease their hair, get somebody like Rudy Sarzo in the band and wear make-up if they weren't in some way influenced by the glam metal scene? Sure, they had been a band in the 70's, but with hardly a following, unlike Aerosmith, who were HUGE in the 70's. And, I would say YES, also, that HEART, Aerosmith, Kiss, etc. were influenced by the L.A. metal scene as well. They had to become relevant again somehow, and the biggest thing happening in metal music was glam. So, even if the songs weren't necessarily like Motley (and they weren't, they were more in line with Foreigner), you can't deny that they "chased" the glam trend. So every band that had big hair in the late 80's needs to bow down to Motley Crue? And what does getting Rudy Sarzo in the band have to do with anything? Rudy Sarzo was in arguably the biggest L.A. metal band of all, Quiet Riot, and played on the first metal record to ever go #1, that being Metal Health. Are you that thick-headed? |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 17:20:36 GMT -5
And amazingly enough...all of a sudden David starts wearing his lip gloss and and other makeup just like the hair bands.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:21:36 GMT -5
And amazingly enough...all of a sudden David starts wearing his lip gloss and and other makeup just like the hair bands. You mean like Steven Tyler? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 17:24:54 GMT -5
And amazingly enough...all of a sudden David starts wearing his lip gloss and and other makeup just like the hair bands. You mean like Steven Tyler? Yes, Steven Tyler also jumped on the glam wagon, though unlike Coverdale, he helped to create that scene in big part in the 70's. Aerosmith were a proto-type band for many glam metal bands in the 80's. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 17:25:12 GMT -5
And amazingly enough...all of a sudden David starts wearing his lip gloss and and other makeup just like the hair bands. You mean like Steven Tyler? He was doing the shit back in the 70's, David wasn't. David just hopped on the train. I don't blame him...because if he didn't, he would be nothing for the most part today. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:26:38 GMT -5
So every band that had big hair in the late 80's needs to bow down to Motley Crue? And what does getting Rudy Sarzo in the band have to do with anything? Rudy Sarzo was in arguably the biggest L.A. metal band of all, Quiet Riot, and played on the first metal record to ever go #1, that being Metal Health. Are you that thick-headed? Yes I know all of that, but none of that has to do with why he hired in Whitesnake. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:28:28 GMT -5
You mean like Steven Tyler? He was doing the shit back in the 70's, David wasn't. David just hopped on the train. I don't blame him...because if he didn't, he would be nothing for the most part today. Again - the Kalodner recipe for Aerosmith added to Whitesnake. What is so hard for you to understand here? Kaldoner did the same thing to other Geffen bands as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 17:30:12 GMT -5
Rudy Sarzo was in arguably the biggest L.A. metal band of all, Quiet Riot, and played on the first metal record to ever go #1, that being Metal Health. Are you that thick-headed? Yes I know all of that, but none of that has to do with why he hired in Whitesnake. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. |
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Post by Justlee on Jan 1, 2015 17:33:25 GMT -5
He was doing the shit back in the 70's, David wasn't. David just hopped on the train. I don't blame him...because if he didn't, he would be nothing for the most part today. Again - the Kalodner recipe for Aerosmith added to Whitesnake. What is so hard for you to understand here? Kaldoner did the same thing to other Geffen bands as well. Whitesnake jumped on the hair band train, Aerosmith was already glam dumbass. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:33:31 GMT -5
Yes I know all of that, but none of that has to do with why he hired in Whitesnake. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Well please tell me why Sarzo was hired to be in Whitesnake along with everyone else. |
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 1, 2015 17:35:00 GMT -5
Again - the Kalodner recipe for Aerosmith added to Whitesnake. What is so hard for you to understand here? Kaldoner did the same thing to other Geffen bands as well. Whitesnake jumped on the hair band train, Aerosmith was already glam dumbass. Wow - well that is incredibly convenient for Kalodner to be able to hire the same exact people to work with Aerosmith and Whitesnake and do the exact same thing with both bands. |
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