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Post by Justlee on Feb 21, 2012 19:33:28 GMT -5
;D ;D Now that wouldn't be surprising. I think he could be a closet serial killer..... I am not kidding - he sent me a PM and wanted to trade pictures. I seemed really nice he said. That's fucking sad. I thought everyone knew it was you. I mean it was the same old shit you know.....
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Post by dute on Feb 21, 2012 19:34:55 GMT -5
;D ;D Now that wouldn't be surprising. I think he could be a closet serial killer..... I am not kidding - he sent me a PM and wanted to trade pictures. I seemed really nice he said. Priceless.
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Post by Hey Man on Feb 21, 2012 19:44:22 GMT -5
I got banned again, before I could go to Glamour Shots and send him some fancy photos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 11:25:04 GMT -5
All I know is that I thoroughly enjoyed Kiss during the 80's. Would I have liked a heavy sound? Sure, but as far as gaining them more credibility, that was never a goal for me. Back then, as it is now, I just don't care about the credibility of the catalogue or how it looks to other people. I enjoy it. Nothing else really matters. But as a KISS fan - what would it have taken for you to have hated the 80's? See what I am saying? You were onboard the KISS train anyway. So if they actually made more of an effort in the 80's - it stands to reason that you would have probably loved it even more than you already do. But I know a lot of people that became KISS fans because of that era. One of my best friends only ever listened to the 80s era Kiss that she heard growing up. To her the 70s stuff is crap. Now, I don't happen to share that opinion with her but it's a no less valid of a perspective just because I happen to think it's wrongheaded.
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Post by Ack on Feb 22, 2012 11:56:16 GMT -5
I have a soft spot for the Animalize/Asylum era as I first became a KISS fan in 1985. But my first KISS album that year was ALive! and that's what set the standard for me, rather than anything they were up to in '85. I will say I was positively addicted to Tears Are Falling when it first came out and is still a favorite of mine. Asylum was the second KISS album I ever owned. Not the greatest but I have a nostalgic attachment to that album. But I always preferred the heavier side of the band even then. My 3rd, 4th and 5th KISS albums were Alive II, LIU and Creatures. After hearing that stuff, I was incredibly disappointed in Crazy Nights when it came out in '87.
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Post by B5Erik on Feb 22, 2012 13:06:15 GMT -5
Kiss was it for me growing up, there was nothing better. Somewhere around the time of LIU/Animalize I realized the Kiss I knew and loved was gone and bands like Maiden were where it was at. For me Lick It Up and Animalize were KISS updating their sound and keeping up with the times. Songs like Exciter, Not For The Innocent, A Million To One, I've Had Enough, and Under The Gun were very current at the time, and were just good to great songs. Heaven's On Fire had the same spirit as Classic KISS, and it's just a great song. I ended up liking Asylum more than either of those, though, because of songs like King Of The Mountain, Who Wants To Be Lonely, I'm Alive, and Tears Are Falling. Asylum was raw, the guitar tone was HUGE (not all that great - but huge), and the songs were still fairly heavy. Iron Maiden, Dio-era Sabbath, DIO (the band), Judas Priest, etc, were the new bands that I got into starting in 1982, but I still loved KISS and enjoyed all their new albums to one degree or another. Now, Crazy Nights was a HUGE disappointment to me on all levels, but I still found some songs I could enjoy. At the time I thought HITS was a great step in the right direction, but as time went on it was clear that they had blown a golden opportunity there, too. Lousy production and too many mediocre to weak songs kept that from being a top notch KISS album. It was Kiss, not KISS. So, in retrospect, it really was just Crazy Nights and HITS that hurt KISS long term. Oh, yeah - and Smashes, too. Let's Put The X In Sex alienated a lot of the fans that they had built up from Creatures through Asylum, and those fans had already been alienated by Crazy Nights. HITS did nothing to make that situation better. After Asylum KISS was always two years too late. Crazy Nights just shouldn't have been. Lousy production, helium vocals from Paul, too many keyboards, songs that sounded like generic Pop Metal - it should have been more like HITS style wise (but with better songs). If they put out an album similar to HITS in 1987 (but with better songs and production), and an album like Revenge in 1989 KISS might have been in a much better place come 1992. Did they cater to the wrong crowd? From 1987 to 1989 I'd definitely say yes. That three year span almost killed the band. Yes, Crazy Nights sold about 1.2 million copies. That's nice - but few of those new buyers bought HITS. And almost none of them bought Revenge. Pop fans are fickle, Rock fans are not (not nearly as much anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 15:02:31 GMT -5
I have a soft spot for the Animalize/Asylum era as I first became a KISS fan in 1985. But my first KISS album that year was ALive! and that's what set the standard for me, rather than anything they were up to in '85. I will say I was positively addicted to Tears Are Falling when it first came out and is still a favorite of mine. Asylum was the second KISS album I ever owned. Not the greatest but I have a nostalgic attachment to that album. But I always preferred the heavier side of the band even then. My 3rd, 4th and 5th KISS albums were Alive II, LIU and Creatures. After hearing that stuff, I was incredibly disappointed in Crazy Nights when it came out in '87. I first heard Kiss in the late 70s with Alive II when I was a baby and from all accounts I loved them from the first time I heard the album. Obviously I don't remember that. Just like I recall the first time I heard Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd or Aerosmith or Van Halen, Heart ect. In my house if a record wasn't on then the radio was and so all of that 70s rock is so intertwined with my life that I don't remember the beginnings of those things, they just simply were always there and I always liked that they were there. So for me the moments that I got into Kiss or Aerosmith were really muddled with my early childhood memories of having this musical landscape. But that said, the first Kiss album that wasn't aquired through a relatives album collection was Crazy Nights and Alive. Then Animalized and from there I just sort of pieced things together over years and years, mostly as I found things in a used record store that was down the street from my house. I do think that the fact that I was 11 years old when that album came out plays into my nostalgic enjoyment of it. But coming on the heels of Bad Animals and Permanent Vacation Crazy Nights didn't stand out to me as something outside the norm.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 22:39:11 GMT -5
These last 3 posts are great.... B5Erik, I actually really share the same view as you on Kiss in the 80's...everything you stated above, ITA. Isis...wow....Kiss and Aerosmith and Heart.....yes..... LED....Crazy Nights WAS awful. I was SO mad as a Kiss fan. That was the first album that made me start to question Kiss. My two least favorite Kiss albums of all-time are CRAZY NIGHTS, and its evil opposite twin, REVENGE. Both albums, to me, are the fakest Kiss we've ever gotten.
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Post by Wolfman on Feb 23, 2012 9:45:03 GMT -5
Meanwhile those of us who got into the band later post reunion had the joy and ease of picking up all the albums in a mixed bag getting a few from each era and hearing it all in a mixed up order so we grew to like them all on there own merits. (It all annoyed the hipster kids when they heard it blaring from your house)
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