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Post by Cducharme on Feb 28, 2015 21:00:51 GMT -5
I get broadcast channels which are freely available are unable to say or show certain things (titties or saying words like cunt or fuck) they are under the purview of the FCC so I get that.
Premium or channels you pay for (basically anything NOT broadcast channel so for me 215 of the 219 channels I have access to) are legally allowed to show or say whatever they want. So why is it we have things being censored on those channels? Yes, there's been a few channels pushing more and more envelopes but it's time some channel that's not HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, starz or that abomination the movie channel step up and fly that cunt flag freely! Also, lets let the titties roam free please.
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Post by Cducharme on Feb 28, 2015 21:32:52 GMT -5
Well shit, turns out el Rey allows the word fuck in their shows. Nice
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Post by lugnut on Mar 1, 2015 16:38:26 GMT -5
All those channels rely on sponsors, and sponsors get scared. I'm sure there's probably certain companies who will buy ad time in other Comedy Central shows but don't want their ad to be shown during South Park, for instance. I notice more and more networks are okay with "shit" now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they've conducted surveys to find out about "fuck" and found that too many sponsors say they would have an issue.
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Post by Cducharme on Mar 1, 2015 16:58:47 GMT -5
I know sponsors are an issue for some, but the top shows on cable ALL have more adult themes or language. The Times for sponsors to be scared by a little fuck are way passed.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2015 17:06:12 GMT -5
I think it will eventually get to the point where for networks to even survive with all the other options out there, they will need to compete better with the HBO's and the Netflix's of the world when it comes to programming. Maybe there won't be as much nudity, but certainly violence and filthy words.
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Post by Cducharme on Mar 1, 2015 17:42:27 GMT -5
There should be titties and violence and cursing for fuck's sake
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2015 17:46:11 GMT -5
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Post by lugnut on Mar 1, 2015 17:48:29 GMT -5
I think it will eventually get to the point where for networks to even survive with all the other options out there, they will need to compete better with the HBO's and the Netflix's of the world when it comes to programming. Maybe there won't be as much nudity, but certainly violence and filthy words. Eh, I dunno, I don't think a few fucks here and there will help any. Even if, say AMC decided to go uncut, I'm still probably not gonna watch a movie on there because all there's still all the ad breaks making what should be a 2-hour movie into a 31/2-hour endurance test. They seem to have slipped "shit" in and nobody really noticed, heh. On a side note about movies with commercials, I've got some tapes from some L.A. independent I'm forgetting the name of that seemed to pride themselves in movies that were taped in the mid-80s, and the way they handle ads is unique and makes me wonder if it would make it more appealing if it was brought back today. They'd only have a handful of commercial breaks, but they were quite a bit longer than usual. Same amount as ever, but all at once, so that when you come back the movie won't stop again for quite a while. It's especially nice toward the end, since you're not building up tension for a big ending only to have it interrupted every 5 minutes the way some channels do now. I do have to say, some of the extended breaks seem to go on for ages even by today's standards, but overall it's a better way to watch a movie. (Plus since the break would be so long, you know you've got time to get a sandwich *and* go to the bathroom!) |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2015 17:57:15 GMT -5
I think it will eventually get to the point where for networks to even survive with all the other options out there, they will need to compete better with the HBO's and the Netflix's of the world when it comes to programming. Maybe there won't be as much nudity, but certainly violence and filthy words. Eh, I dunno, I don't think a few fucks here and there will help any. Even if, say AMC decided to go uncut, I'm still probably not gonna watch a movie on there because all there's still all the ad breaks making what should be a 2-hour movie into a 31/2-hour endurance test. They seem to have slipped "shit" in and nobody really noticed, heh. On a side note about movies with commercials, I've got some tapes from some L.A. independent I'm forgetting the name of that seemed to pride themselves in movies, and the way they handle ads is unique and makes me wonder if it would make it more appealing if it was brought back today. They'd only have a handful of commercial breaks, but they were quite a bit longer than usual. Same amount as ever, but all at once, so that when you come back the movie won't stop again for quite a while. It's especially nice toward the end, since you're not building up tension for a big ending only to have it interrupted every 5 minutes the way some channels do now. I do have to say, some of the extended breaks seem to go on for ages even by today's standards, but overall it's a better way to watch a movie. (Plus since the break would be so long, you know you've got time to get a sandwich *and* go to the bathroom!) No what I meant is that NBC for example will be able to create HBO quality shows - so for example, instead of having a lame unrealistic cop show or show about the mafia like they have done in the past, they can do The Wire and The Sopranos on network television. This obviously won't happen next week, but I think when push comes to shove and the networks are going the way of record labels - they will need to have relatively uncensored quality TV shows that producers would typically pitch to Showtime, HBO and Netflix. I mean even the majority of awards handed out at the Emmy's were all for cable shows. Networks hardly won anything. This is their future - adapt or die. |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2015 18:00:16 GMT -5
I love this description from the Parents Television Council regarding Family Guy: Program Information FAMILY GUY MPAA Rating: TV-PG Description: Network: FOX Show Day: Sunday Show Time: 2100 Production Companies: 20th Century Fox Television Producers: Seth MacFarlane, David Goodman, and Chris Sheridan Creator: Seth MacFarlane Now in its thirteenth season, Family Guy centers on the vulgar antics of Peter Griffin and his family. Peter is a selfish, dim-witted lout. Peter’s wife, Lois, tries unsuccessfully to keep order in the house. Peter and Lois have three children: Meg, an anxiety-prone sixteen-year-old outcast; Chris, a lazy thirteen-year-old dolt; and Stewie, a precocious toddler bent on world domination. Rounding out this dysfunctional family is Brian, the Griffins’ acerbic, hard-drinking dog. The series delivers some of the most vile, offensive content on broadcast television. For example, in one episode, Brian ate the feces out of Stewie’s diaper and licked his rear clean. Sex is constant, with virtually every episode awash in lewd sexual references or taboo topics such as incest, bestiality and pedophilia. Language is a major issue, with bleeped expletives and words such as “ass,” “douche,” and “son of a bitch” used frequently. The show’s “shtick” also features regular fits of graphic violence, including gunshots to the head with brains exposed and blood pouring out, dismemberment, decapitation, and the like. w2.parentstv.org/main/images/main/PTC_FCC_1502.jpg |
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Post by Cducharme on Mar 1, 2015 18:09:06 GMT -5
Networks will NEVER go full uncensored, the FCC made sure of that. Cable is unregulated content-wise
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Post by Cducharme on Mar 1, 2015 18:32:17 GMT -5
Wasn't that JUST the first episode?
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Post by lugnut on Mar 1, 2015 18:35:26 GMT -5
I love this description from the Parents Television Council regarding Family Guy: Program Information FAMILY GUY MPAA Rating: TV-PG Description: Network: FOX Show Day: Sunday Show Time: 2100 Production Companies: 20th Century Fox Television Producers: Seth MacFarlane, David Goodman, and Chris Sheridan Creator: Seth MacFarlane Now in its thirteenth season, Family Guy centers on the vulgar antics of Peter Griffin and his family. Peter is a selfish, dim-witted lout. Peter’s wife, Lois, tries unsuccessfully to keep order in the house. Peter and Lois have three children: Meg, an anxiety-prone sixteen-year-old outcast; Chris, a lazy thirteen-year-old dolt; and Stewie, a precocious toddler bent on world domination. Rounding out this dysfunctional family is Brian, the Griffins’ acerbic, hard-drinking dog. The series delivers some of the most vile, offensive content on broadcast television. For example, in one episode, Brian ate the feces out of Stewie’s diaper and licked his rear clean. Sex is constant, with virtually every episode awash in lewd sexual references or taboo topics such as incest, bestiality and pedophilia. Language is a major issue, with bleeped expletives and words such as “ass,” “douche,” and “son of a bitch” used frequently. The show’s “shtick” also features regular fits of graphic violence, including gunshots to the head with brains exposed and blood pouring out, dismemberment, decapitation, and the like. Well...they're not wrong. Though they're playing loose with their rating, if not outright lying - there might have been an episode that did only get a TV-PG once but virtually all are TV-14 and Fox airs a disclaimer before the show, which they don't do for any of the other animated series. Heh, a couple years back our local Fox affiliate started airing syndicated reruns and put them in a 5-6pm slot... I'm just guessing there wound up being some complaints, because it got jettisoned to like 2-3am within a month where it remains. (And even I kinda questioned running it in that 5-6 slot, just seemed like inviting trouble.) They had good enough sense not to run South Park until 10 or 11, but it's been pulled now too - but that was probably a poor ratings thing since I've noticed that show seems to be one that hasn't done well in syndication anywhere for some reason. |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2015 18:45:32 GMT -5
I love this description from the Parents Television Council regarding Family Guy: Program Information FAMILY GUY MPAA Rating: TV-PG Description: Network: FOX Show Day: Sunday Show Time: 2100 Production Companies: 20th Century Fox Television Producers: Seth MacFarlane, David Goodman, and Chris Sheridan Creator: Seth MacFarlane Now in its thirteenth season, Family Guy centers on the vulgar antics of Peter Griffin and his family. Peter is a selfish, dim-witted lout. Peter’s wife, Lois, tries unsuccessfully to keep order in the house. Peter and Lois have three children: Meg, an anxiety-prone sixteen-year-old outcast; Chris, a lazy thirteen-year-old dolt; and Stewie, a precocious toddler bent on world domination. Rounding out this dysfunctional family is Brian, the Griffins’ acerbic, hard-drinking dog. The series delivers some of the most vile, offensive content on broadcast television. For example, in one episode, Brian ate the feces out of Stewie’s diaper and licked his rear clean. Sex is constant, with virtually every episode awash in lewd sexual references or taboo topics such as incest, bestiality and pedophilia. Language is a major issue, with bleeped expletives and words such as “ass,” “douche,” and “son of a bitch” used frequently. The show’s “shtick” also features regular fits of graphic violence, including gunshots to the head with brains exposed and blood pouring out, dismemberment, decapitation, and the like. Well...they're not wrong. Though they're playing loose with their rating, if not outright lying - there might have been an episode that did only get a TV-PG once but virtually all are TV-14 and Fox airs a disclaimer before the show, which they don't do for any of the other animated series. Heh, a couple years back our local Fox affiliate started airing syndicated reruns and put them in a 5-6pm slot... I'm just guessing there wound up being some complaints, because it got jettisoned to like 2-3am within a month where it remains. (And even I kinda questioned running it in that 5-6 slot, just seemed like inviting trouble.) They had good enough sense not to run South Park until 10 or 11, but it's been pulled now too - but that was probably a poor ratings thing since I've noticed that show seems to be one that hasn't done well in syndication anywhere for some reason. No, they are not wrong - but the Parents Television Council have such a hard on for Family Guy - it's the most horrible thing their eyes have ever witnessed and they are constantly complain to the FCC about this show. I understand the want to warn parents, but they will never win against a profitable show that they deem offensive. |
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Post by lugnut on Mar 1, 2015 21:42:39 GMT -5
Well...they're not wrong. Though they're playing loose with their rating, if not outright lying - there might have been an episode that did only get a TV-PG once but virtually all are TV-14 and Fox airs a disclaimer before the show, which they don't do for any of the other animated series. Heh, a couple years back our local Fox affiliate started airing syndicated reruns and put them in a 5-6pm slot... I'm just guessing there wound up being some complaints, because it got jettisoned to like 2-3am within a month where it remains. (And even I kinda questioned running it in that 5-6 slot, just seemed like inviting trouble.) They had good enough sense not to run South Park until 10 or 11, but it's been pulled now too - but that was probably a poor ratings thing since I've noticed that show seems to be one that hasn't done well in syndication anywhere for some reason. No, they are not wrong - but the Parents Television Council have such a hard on for Family Guy - it's the most horrible thing their eyes have ever witnessed and they are constantly complain to the FCC about this show. I understand the want to warn parents, but they will never win against a profitable show that they deem offensive. I can't think of a single thing they *or* any other kind of moral group has ever got pulled, profitable or not. There's three I can think of that have varying degrees of asterisks around them, though... The closest example I can think of an episode of is probably Married With Children that never aired (but is now in the syndication package you see everywhere, of course) and it only kinda counts. Some woman was offended by the series and started an angry-mothers campaign sending letters to Fox and show sponsors that got a lot of attention which apparently actually caused a few sponsors to drop out, which apparently spooked Fox a bit. In the midst of all of it, a very sex-heavy episode was set to air and Fox refused, saying to the producers it was against standards & practices and that no amount of edits or changes would bring it to code. If you saw the episode now in a block of reruns you'd probably never pick it out as "the banned one" because it ain't much different than others, it just has sex as a main plot. Fox never acknowledged the campaign as a reason though, so she didn't get any kind of win. Plus it doesn't seem like there was any noise made about it being pulled in the media, so most people would have never even known at the time. And besides, she wanted the whole series killed - it went on another five or six years. There is the case of the Puerto Rican Day episode of Seinfeld, which did air on its original showing but has been very hit-or-miss in syndication. Many angry letters and calls came in about a scene of Kramer accidentally burning the PR flag and "negative portrayals" of Puerto Ricans were sent to NBC after it first aired, they decided not to show it again in repeats, and it was left out of the syndication package - or some of them at least. I'm wanting to sat TBS shows it, but I've seen other channels that skip over it. And finally the infamous Turn-On incident from 1969, an ABC show from the Laugh-In creators described as having lots of disorienting video effects and essentially wall-to-wall sex jokes (and generally sounding fucking weird and bad in general from what I can tell). It has the legend of being known as the only show ever cancelled before its first episode had finished. Several affiliates wouldn't run it at all, but those who did are said to have been bombarded with angry phone calls about it, which led most stations across the country to cut the feed mid-show (would be interesting to know if any station actually aired the whole thing, heh). I'd love to actually see whatever the hell this show was sometime because it sounds so weird and awful that I can't quite fathom it, but it's basically impossible to see. There were 2 episodes finished and supposedly the Paley Center or maybe Museum of Radio & TV has both, so it does exist, but not like I can just stop by those places. I'm amazed no kind of bootlegs have ever surfaced because it's such a well-known story. The thing I notice linking these three is that the complaints came directly from viewers as opposed to a specific group, but I doubt even that matters too often. Otherwise the only things I know of are episodes the network decided not to air just because they got cold feet about pushing it, not due to any actual complaint. Maybe Sinead O'Connor's pope-ripping SNL performance counts to a degree, since it's never reaired since and reruns are edited to cut right before the moment could be an example of it working, but even if the outcry hadn't been so big I think that would have been snipped by producers when doing the reruns regardless. |
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