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Post by Hey Man on Sept 12, 2011 14:37:43 GMT -5
I wonder how the 80's bands would have done if they released their heavier albums before essentially being forced to, because of the change in the musical climate. So if Warrant's Dog Eat Dog, or Winger's Pull for example - came out before alternative music told them they needed to change, would they have had a better chance to survive through the grunge years?
What if these albums came out in 1988/89, after the success of their earlier albums. So More Than Words for example, would still exist - just a couple of years earlier.
Pull
Dog Eat Dog
Motley Crue 94
Carnival of Souls
Waiting For The Punchline
Subhuman Race
and a slew of other albums that went alternative or bands who abandoned their hair metal/hard rock sound for something darker and heavier. Would they have still taken a huge hit from the new wave of grunge and alternative bands?
I think if those albums did come out earlier, the hair metal/hard rock bands would have better co-existed with Nirvana, Pearl Jam and the like.
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Post by DWF on Sept 12, 2011 18:45:33 GMT -5
I wonder how the 80's bands would have done if they released their heavier albums before essentially being forced to, because of the change in the musical climate. So if Warrant's Dog Eat Dog, or Winger's Pull for example - came out before alternative music told them they needed to change, would they have had a better chance to survive through the grunge years? What if these albums came out in 1988/89, after the success of their earlier albums. So More Than Words for example, would still exist - just a couple of years earlier. Pull Dog Eat Dog Motley Crue 94 Carnival of Souls Waiting For The Punchline Subhuman Race and a slew of other albums that went alternative or bands who abandoned their hair metal/hard rock sound for something darker and heavier. Would they have still taken a huge hit from the new wave of grunge and alternative bands? I think if those albums did come out earlier, the hair metal/hard rock bands would have better co-existed with Nirvana, Pearl Jam and the like. Very likely. It wouldn't have been such an obvious "screeching of the brakes" in stylistic differences. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 11:40:58 GMT -5
I've never heard the Warrant and Winger albums. I just tracked down clips of the Warrant one and so far it doesn't sound any different than the Warrant albums I have heard (DRFSR and Cherry Pie) Based on 30 second clips I can't see where this coming out earlier would have helped me think of Warrant in any different light. I'm now off to subject myself to Winger clips, which based on the high praise that I've heard on FAQ for the last couple of years should be fucking brilliant.  |
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Post by Hey Man on Sept 13, 2011 21:15:09 GMT -5
I've never heard the Warrant and Winger albums. I just tracked down clips of the Warrant one and so far it doesn't sound any different than the Warrant albums I have heard (DRFSR and Cherry Pie) Based on 30 second clips I can't see where this coming out earlier would have helped me think of Warrant in any different light. I'm now off to subject myself to Winger clips, which based on the high praise that I've heard on FAQ for the last couple of years should be fucking brilliant. Dog Eat Dog is certainly heavier than the first two Warrant albums and Pull is NOTHING like the first two Winger albums. Hard rock fans have called Dog Eat Dog and Pull (among other albums supposedly released too late) to be the best material those bands ever did, so if they came out earlier - the notion is that grunge and alternative wouldn't have had the same impact to the point of killing many of these 80's bands. They both could have existed and done well at the same time. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 9:07:12 GMT -5
I've never heard the Warrant and Winger albums. I just tracked down clips of the Warrant one and so far it doesn't sound any different than the Warrant albums I have heard (DRFSR and Cherry Pie) Based on 30 second clips I can't see where this coming out earlier would have helped me think of Warrant in any different light. I'm now off to subject myself to Winger clips, which based on the high praise that I've heard on FAQ for the last couple of years should be fucking brilliant. Dog Eat Dog is certainly heavier than the first two Warrant albums and Pull is NOTHING like the first two Winger albums. Hard rock fans have called Dog Eat Dog and Pull (among other albums supposedly released too late) to be the best material those bands ever did, so if they came out earlier - the notion is that grunge and alternative wouldn't have had the same impact to the point of killing many of these 80's bands. They both could have existed and done well at the same time. Well as I said I only listened to 30 second clips and its been quite some time since I listened to the first two Warrant albums so I'll take your word that Dog Eat Dog is heavier. I only got through a couple of songs on Pull before I had to run to my meeting but without hearing it I'll also take your word that its markedly different from the first two Winger albums. Since I didn't listen to Winger I'll have to ignore it for a bit and focus in on just Warrant. And while I concede that it may be a heavier album for Warrant it still sounds like Warrant. The same way that Dr. Feelgood was a crunchier than a typical Crue album but it still sounded like Motley Crue. I suspect that is why Warrant fans really liked the heavier sounding album, as opposed to Carnival Of Souls which was just laughed at by Kiss fans. In any case, while it was different for them, I'm not sure it was different enough to have kept interest of anyone outside of diehard Warrant fans. That's just my opinion. Motley Crue 94 might have stood more of a chance...They were already going for a crunchier sound with Dr. Feelgood, and Vince left the band so there was both precedent for the direction change and a reason for the grittier vocals. And as far as Carnival of Souls..while Revenge took them in a heavier direction COS was such an obvious and blatant grab at a trend after a decade of blatant grabs at trends, that even diehards found it laughable. I don't think releasing a few years before grunge would have even been possible given their intent during that time, but even if it, the question still begs. If you can't get someone who stuck around through Asylum on board for COS how on earth are you going to get anyone else interested in it? (And for the record, I really like COS) |
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Post by DWF on Sept 14, 2011 9:13:29 GMT -5
Dog Eat Dog is certainly heavier than the first two Warrant albums and Pull is NOTHING like the first two Winger albums. I remember being very surprised by DOG EAT DOG. Not a fan of the band, but was really into the record. Stuff like Hole In My Wall, Bitter Pill, April 2031, Andy Warhol Was Right, and Quicksand had a heavy Michael Wagner influence. And for the better. |
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