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Post by Hey Man on Oct 15, 2023 13:38:39 GMT -5
I admittedly don't know all the details here - just what I have read from Julian and Andrew when it comes to Gooch as well from comments from others, but I personally get a sense that not everyone is really telling the whole truth.
I am convinced some know EXACTLY who Sam Loomis is for example and he is being protected for whatever reason - perhaps because they got their hands a little dirty as well in Gooch Gate, so exposing him would be exposing them for their dirty deeds in the KISS hording universe.
I just don't understand the need to protect Gooch or Ros Radley for that matter in any capacity. They should be having people knock on their front door if they have scammed people or done anything illegal.
On the news here in Canada, if someone is scammed out of money, the Consumer reporter goes directly to the guy's house to confront them and shame them on live TV. No call in advance, etc. People were scammed out of money with Ros and he shouldn't just be getting a pass or have it be left as a learning moment in life - he should be answering to those people in person and they should get their money back.
It all seems like an over the top soap opera in it's own way. Threats of burning rare video, lying about laptops, KISS video heroes & villains, scams and deception. This would be more interesting as a documentary than one actually about KISS.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Oct 15, 2023 20:51:03 GMT -5
Watching these stories unfold is like watching a car crash. As much as you try to look away, you can't, as it's all so unbelievable.
I'm of the belief there is no such thing as normal. Every one of us has mental obstacles/issues. Whether we identify them and subsequently deal with them determines our quality of life.
Ros and Gooch are no exceptions, and it does beg the question if Kiss attracts these types. Both have unhealthy obsessions with hoarding, which is how they maintain their self-esteem.
Wanting to have or experience something no one else has, is a flaw in the male brain. Would you get in a tube and go under water to dangerous depths to see ruins of the Titanic through a peephole? And for $250K no less?
It defies common sense, much like wanting to write a diary of every day in the Life of Kiss over ten years, or hoarding rejected music videos and threatening to burn them if no one ponies up an outrageous sum.
Both are indicative of mental issues and both target audiences with similar.
Gooch owns zero intellectual property of the contents in question. He neither wrote nor played the songs, and he didn't film them.
But he does own the hard copy and in some cases, the only existing copy.
Pre-internet, it wasn't an issue. But now once one copy leaks out, it's virtually impossible to contain.
I'm no legal expert, but the one thing seemingly in Radley's favor is he did everything in the vast wasteland of the internet. Mail fraud is a very serious crime, and had he used the US Postal Service, he'd be in a world of trouble. But the internet is another story.
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Oct 15, 2023 21:07:24 GMT -5
KISS fans are like battered wives. Decades of putting up with shit so Ros Radley can show up and steal $250,000 and everyone rolls over and takes it.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 15, 2023 21:50:06 GMT -5
Watching these stories unfold is like watching a car crash. As much as you try to look away, you can't, as it's all so unbelievable. I'm of the belief there is no such thing as normal. Every one of us has mental obstacles/issues. Whether we identify them and subsequently deal with them determines our quality of life. Ros and Gooch are no exceptions, and it does beg the question if Kiss attracts these types. Both have unhealthy obsessions with hoarding, which is how they maintain their self-esteem. Wanting to have or experience something no one else has, is a flaw in the male brain. Would you get in a tube and go under water to dangerous depths to see ruins of the Titanic through a peephole? And for $250K no less? It defies common sense, much like wanting to write a diary of every day in the Life of Kiss over ten years, or hoarding rejected music videos and threatening to burn them if no one ponies up an outrageous sum. Both are indicative of mental issues and both target audiences with similar. Gooch owns zero intellectual property of the contents in question. He neither wrote nor played the songs, and he didn't film them. But he does own the hard copy and in some cases, the only existing copy. Pre-internet, it wasn't an issue. But now once one copy leaks out, it's virtually impossible to contain. I'm no legal expert, but the one thing seemingly in Radley's favor is he did everything in the vast wasteland of the internet. Mail fraud is a very serious crime, and had he used the US Postal Service, he'd be in a world of trouble. But the internet is another story. Great post. Interestingly enough to your point, there was a very heated debate on the FAQ regarding this very thing - is there a mental health issue component to vast KISS collecting? I do think it is case by case, but it absolutely is a thing and any psychologist would acknowledge this. This applies to any sort of excessive collecting - not just KISS. In the case of Gooch and Ros - it would apply here.
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Post by Joma on Oct 15, 2023 23:44:41 GMT -5
I think the reason Ros gets away with his BS sitch is because he claims he's still working on it. No one can prove he's not and that it's coming out at some point... Nice scam he's got going!
Gooch just takes advantage of YouTube's shitty, BS reporting system and claims any nonsense he wants. You have to prove you're the rights holder rather than proving the narc is posting your shit. So Gooch gets to douchebag a ton of people that can't do shit about it...
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 16, 2023 20:30:04 GMT -5
I think the reason Ros gets away with his BS sitch is because he claims he's still working on it. No one can prove he's not and that it's coming out at some point... Nice scam he's got going! Gooch just takes advantage of YouTube's shitty, BS reporting system and claims any nonsense he wants. You have to prove you're the rights holder rather than proving the narc is posting your shit. So Gooch gets to douchebag a ton of people that can't do shit about it... Well he hasn't really updated people like he did initially. "Onward and upward" is not that. I never understood why threads would be locked or deleted on the FAQ. Ros SHOULD be hammered relentlessly. No one wants to hurt the guy. They just want their money or the book. They want closure. As for Gooch, the YT system is shitty - but again, I don't think people are telling the entire truth here. They know far more than they have shared even being "victims" of Gooch. They were all pals at one point.
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Post by kissoff on Oct 16, 2023 21:00:23 GMT -5
I think the reason Ros gets away with his BS sitch is because he claims he's still working on it. No one can prove he's not and that it's coming out at some point... Nice scam he's got going! Gooch just takes advantage of YouTube's shitty, BS reporting system and claims any nonsense he wants. You have to prove you're the rights holder rather than proving the narc is posting your shit. So Gooch gets to douchebag a ton of people that can't do shit about it... Well he hasn't really updated people like he did initially. "Onward and upward" is not that. I never understood why threads would be locked or deleted on the FAQ. Ros SHOULD be hammered relentlessly. No one wants to hurt the guy. They just want their money or the book. They want closure. As for Gooch, the YT system is shitty - but again, I don't think people are telling the entire truth here. They know far more than they have shared even being "victims" of Gooch. They were all pals at one point. I was not impressed with pics I saw that Ros was initially peddling. Many looked doctored to me in some way and not legit. And when I voiced this on the FAQ there was crickets. And when I voiced concerns about his financing methodologies on the FAQ I was told to basically sit down that Ros was a standup guy. Bottom line is I never came close to purchasing.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 16, 2023 21:06:28 GMT -5
Well he hasn't really updated people like he did initially. "Onward and upward" is not that. I never understood why threads would be locked or deleted on the FAQ. Ros SHOULD be hammered relentlessly. No one wants to hurt the guy. They just want their money or the book. They want closure. As for Gooch, the YT system is shitty - but again, I don't think people are telling the entire truth here. They know far more than they have shared even being "victims" of Gooch. They were all pals at one point. I was not impressed with pics I saw that Ros was initially peddling. Many looked doctored to me in some way and not legit. And when I voiced this on the FAQ there was crickets. And when I voiced concerns about his financing methodologies on the FAQ I was told to basically sit down that Ros was a standup guy. Bottom line is I never came close to purchasing. Good. You dodged a bullet.
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Post by kissoff on Oct 16, 2023 21:33:55 GMT -5
I was not impressed with pics I saw that Ros was initially peddling. Many looked doctored to me in some way and not legit. And when I voiced this on the FAQ there was crickets. And when I voiced concerns about his financing methodologies on the FAQ I was told to basically sit down that Ros was a standup guy. Bottom line is I never came close to purchasing. Good. You dodged a bullet. Do you recall chiming in about anything back then.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 16, 2023 21:44:26 GMT -5
Good. You dodged a bullet. Do you recall chiming in about anything back then. I was never going to buy it in advance, so my only comments were after the fact - when people realized that this may be a scam with repeated delays and when even Julian finally lost faith.
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Post by kissoff on Oct 16, 2023 22:16:33 GMT -5
Do you recall chiming in about anything back then. I was never going to buy it in advance, so my only comments were after the fact - when people realized that this may be a scam with repeated delays and when even Julian finally lost faith. what's your take of what happened. I think he just got in over his head and instead of reaching out for help, just said screw it.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 16, 2023 22:39:36 GMT -5
I was never going to buy it in advance, so my only comments were after the fact - when people realized that this may be a scam with repeated delays and when even Julian finally lost faith. what's your take of what happened. I think he just got in over his head and instead of reaching out for help, just said screw it. I agree. I do think a book was intended and initially worked on, but he got in over his head and there would be just no way to finish it or give people their money back.
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Oct 17, 2023 3:02:53 GMT -5
He’s clearly a fuckin Aspergers.
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Oct 17, 2023 3:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 18, 2023 15:21:15 GMT -5
Courthouse News Service is reporting that KISS members, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley, never gave up copyrights of their band's concert footage to Applause Licensing or Curt Gooch, who claim to own the rights to various bootleg performance films from 1974-1977, according to a suit filed in federal court. The complaint introduction states: Plaintiffs Kiss Catalog, Ltd., Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley are collectively the owners of the intellectual property of the iconic recording group KISS, including the copyrights to the concert footage at issue in this action. Plaintiffs bring this action as a result of Defendants' unauthorized attempt to exercise dominion and control over, and claim ownership of, the copyrights to certain KISS historical concert footage. Info here: www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/kiss-catalog-v-applause-licensing-complaint-california.pdf
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Oct 18, 2023 15:40:05 GMT -5
Wow!
If you check my post above, that was my main issue - Gooch owns zero of the intellectual rights to any of the material he is hawking.
Maybe he owns a hard copy, but did he pay the artists from his sales? Doubtful.
Like with the Van Halen Monsters of Rock leak.
He owns none of that footage and of course none of the music.
The same fate that landed him with a rare hard copy went the other way when it leaked. Once it's out there, does he have that right to claim ownership just because he has a hard copy?
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Post by Joma on Oct 18, 2023 16:06:20 GMT -5
When will Ros' turn be?
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 18, 2023 16:20:08 GMT -5
It is still being worked on. You can't rush greatness.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 18, 2023 16:22:03 GMT -5
Wow! If you check my post above, that was my main issue - Gooch owns zero of the intellectual rights to any of the material he is hawking. Maybe he owns a hard copy, but did he pay the artists from his sales? Doubtful. Like with the Van Halen Monsters of Rock leak. He owns none of that footage and of course none of the music. The same fate that landed him with a rare hard copy went the other way when it leaked. Once it's out there, does he have that right to claim ownership just because he has a hard copy? I hope Gooch is decimated here. He has had it coming for a long time. Maybe some others in the KISS hoarder group will be next.
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Oct 18, 2023 23:01:05 GMT -5
It is still being worked on. You can't rush greatness. Until then, work continues and I’ll make an announcement when we’re ready to go to print.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 18, 2023 23:17:13 GMT -5
It is still being worked on. You can't rush greatness. Until then, work continues and I’ll make an announcement when we’re ready to go to print. Are you still taking orders? I want to get 10 copies please.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Oct 18, 2023 23:29:40 GMT -5
It's amazing he's still taking orders.
It'd be nearly impossible to coordinate, but Kiss fans should band together and come up with $150 to purchase a copy. Then appoint one guy to purchase, correspond, etc., just to see if he would accept the order.
Tracing it from there would be entertaining, to say the least.
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Post by Joma on Oct 18, 2023 23:37:50 GMT -5
It's amazing he's still taking orders. It'd be nearly impossible to coordinate, but Kiss fans should band together and come up with $150 to purchase a copy. Then appoint one guy to purchase, correspond, etc., just to see if he would accept the order. Tracing it from there would be entertaining, to say the least. He will accept it. Someone emailed pretending to be interested in like 4 copies and he replied in minutes happy to assist them in placing the order. I think they even asked about if he thought it would be ready by such and such date for some made up reason and Ros made it sound like he thought it was totally doable...
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 19, 2023 15:33:59 GMT -5
It's amazing he's still taking orders. It'd be nearly impossible to coordinate, but Kiss fans should band together and come up with $150 to purchase a copy. Then appoint one guy to purchase, correspond, etc., just to see if he would accept the order. Tracing it from there would be entertaining, to say the least. He will accept it. Someone emailed pretending to be interested in like 4 copies and he replied in minutes happy to assist them in placing the order. I think they even asked about if he thought it would be ready by such and such date for some made up reason and Ros made it sound like he thought it was totally doable... I bet Ros would say it should be ready for this Christmas if someone inquired about wanting to buy as a gift.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 19, 2023 15:36:13 GMT -5
Wow! If you check my post above, that was my main issue - Gooch owns zero of the intellectual rights to any of the material he is hawking. Maybe he owns a hard copy, but did he pay the artists from his sales? Doubtful. Like with the Van Halen Monsters of Rock leak. He owns none of that footage and of course none of the music. The same fate that landed him with a rare hard copy went the other way when it leaked. Once it's out there, does he have that right to claim ownership just because he has a hard copy? Andrew had suggested that the reason why KISS hadn't sued Gooch yet was because he was doing their dirty work - we won't sue you if you get our videos taken down on Youtube, etc.
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Post by kissoff on Oct 19, 2023 16:50:29 GMT -5
Wow! If you check my post above, that was my main issue - Gooch owns zero of the intellectual rights to any of the material he is hawking. Maybe he owns a hard copy, but did he pay the artists from his sales? Doubtful. Like with the Van Halen Monsters of Rock leak. He owns none of that footage and of course none of the music. The same fate that landed him with a rare hard copy went the other way when it leaked. Once it's out there, does he have that right to claim ownership just because he has a hard copy? Andrew had suggested that the reason why KISS hadn't sued Gooch yet was because he was doing their dirty work - we won't sue you if you get our videos taken down on Youtube, etc. Ya so KISS can have a streaming service like Manilow for $10 a month!! Can't believe those morons suggesting that on the FAQ.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 19, 2023 16:56:57 GMT -5
Andrew had suggested that the reason why KISS hadn't sued Gooch yet was because he was doing their dirty work - we won't sue you if you get our videos taken down on Youtube, etc. Ya so KISS can have a streaming service like Manilow for $10 a month!! Can't believe those morons suggesting that on the FAQ. Andrew certainly hasn't told the entire truth here, but in this case - I think he was just speculating on why the sue happy KISS wasn't suing Gooch.
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Post by kissoff on Oct 19, 2023 17:23:10 GMT -5
Ya so KISS can have a streaming service like Manilow for $10 a month!! Can't believe those morons suggesting that on the FAQ. Andrew certainly hasn't told the entire truth here, but in this case - I think he was just speculating on why the sue happy KISS wasn't suing Gooch. Ya but my point was about the crazy unrealistic speculation about KISS now doing a streaming service. Ever heard the phrase get with the program.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Oct 19, 2023 18:22:39 GMT -5
They should just put the footage out in HD on YouTube like what the Midnight Special is doing.
At this stage what little money Gene and Paul would get from a DVD release would be spent by their great, great, great, great, great, great grandkids. So why worry?
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Post by kissoff on Oct 19, 2023 18:41:08 GMT -5
They should just put the footage out in HD on YouTube like what the Midnight Special is doing. At this stage what little money Gene and Paul would get from a DVD release would be spent by their great, great, great, great, great, great grandkids. So why worry? What they should do and will do often can't be further apart though. To me there's never been good reason to bother thinking in should do terms with KISS.
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