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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 1, 2024 1:53:42 GMT -5
It's not just what you say, it's how you say it. It seems in Kiss World, all the hangers-on follow Gene's lead of being brash and arrogant. It may work for Gene, but it hasn't worked for anyone else - Curt Gooch, Steve Brown, Ros Radley, 3 Sides, Bob Kulick, and of course, Vinnie. Kiss fans are a special breed and are fiercely loyal. All of the above guys could be heroes among Kiss fans; but they've all burned bridges with their out-of-control egos. Despite the box set fiasco, everyone forgave Vinnie. The goodwill after Atlanta was palpable. If he had been humble and contrite, no one would've cared that his playing had deteriorated. But he couldn't do that. He had to brag about practicing seven hours a day, promised 2 box sets to all who purchased, had a dream A-list band with Carmine Appice and Tony Franklin fall in his lap, as well as a gig at historic Graceland - only he cancelled, after many spent big bucks on plane tickets and hotel rooms, including Julian, if memory serves. And it only got worse. Vinnie pulled yet another fast one at the much-hyped Creaturesfest, backed out of a cancer benefit, continued his egomaniacal delusions posting at message boards, started charging an exorbitant fee to view his Facebook page, unceremoniously fired a pro singer, only to hire another, who he coaxed into filming a promo video for yet another show he backed out of. Like with the current kerfuffle with Steve Brown, it's Vinnie's arrogance that has people against him; which is sad, because if either could muster even an iota of humility, fans would be singing their praises loudly. As for Vinnie playing, Kiss songs are very simple, especially some of the Vinnie era ones. War Machine can be played with one finger; I Love It Loud with two. And despite Vinnie's egotistical Pyro Messiah baloney, fans still would've gone nuts hearing him play them. But he couldn't even do that. It is a sad situation, but it is self-inflicted. You have a real issue with Steve Brown and I don't really know why. He has actually achieved FAR more career wise than Tuff Stevie - both with the 80's band he was in and beyond, but you seem to give Stevie a pass from his attention whoring and ego over the years for some reason. As for Vinnie, doesn't everyone deserve a second chance? I think there is more at play here with Vinnie when it comes to his mental health and I don't say that in a mocking sense, but I don't think he is sitting at home laughing at the people he has scammed yet again. Not that this an excuse for taking people's money and fucking them over, but I actually do feel sorry for him in a way, because I think he clearly has problems and can't help himself. I'm far from the only one taking exception to Steve Brown. Read either of those threads at Kissfaq; his arrogance rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. What's worse is, most of those people were pulling for him. I have never liked any of these guys' conceit. Remember Curt Gooch's online resume we used to mock? Some of it may even have been true. He may have credits on platinum albums and major motion pictures. But the way he presented it was deliberately deceiving and egotistical. Same with Bob Kulick. He was completely unhinged there at the end, especially with his Grammy winning producer BS, which was proven to be untrue. As for Stevie, what I liked about him was he was not like these guys. He was humble and self-deprecating. He had no qualms discussing driving for Uber, and other endeavors some of the others would find beneath them. Now with recent developments you alerted me to, he too, seems to be jumping on the"Look how great I am," race to the bottom. In which case, I would put him in the same category as the others. And also in Stevie's defense, he's never broken his arm patting himself on the back over his musicianship, as Brown has been doing. If Stevie wants to brag about all the hot chicks he banged, I'm all ears. If he decided to portray himself as hair metal's answer to Mozart, I would have issue with him, too. And I concur on Vinnie being mentally ill; which is why guys like Mike Brunn enabling him is hurting him more than helping him. I know he means well, but the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2024 2:28:34 GMT -5
You have a real issue with Steve Brown and I don't really know why. He has actually achieved FAR more career wise than Tuff Stevie - both with the 80's band he was in and beyond, but you seem to give Stevie a pass from his attention whoring and ego over the years for some reason. As for Vinnie, doesn't everyone deserve a second chance? I think there is more at play here with Vinnie when it comes to his mental health and I don't say that in a mocking sense, but I don't think he is sitting at home laughing at the people he has scammed yet again. Not that this an excuse for taking people's money and fucking them over, but I actually do feel sorry for him in a way, because I think he clearly has problems and can't help himself. I'm far from the only one taking exception to Steve Brown. Read either of those threads at Kissfaq; his arrogance rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. What's worse is, most of those people were pulling for him. I have never liked any of these guys' conceit. Remember Curt Gooch's online resume we used to mock? Some of it may even have been true. He may have credits on platinum albums and major motion pictures. But the way he presented it was deliberately deceiving and egotistical. Same with Bob Kulick. He was completely unhinged there at the end, especially with his Grammy winning producer BS, which was proven to be untrue. As for Stevie, what I liked about him was he was not like these guys. He was humble and self-deprecating. He had no qualms discussing driving for Uber, and other endeavors some of the others would find beneath them. Now with recent developments you alerted me to, he too, seems to be jumping on the"Look how great I am," race to the bottom. In which case, I would put him in the same category as the others. And also in Stevie's defense, he's never broken his arm patting himself on the back over his musicianship, as Brown has been doing. If Stevie wants to brag about all the hot chicks he banged, I'm all ears. If he decided to portray himself as hair metal's answer to Mozart, I would have issue with him, too. And I concur on Vinnie being mentally ill; which is why guys like Mike Brunn enabling him is hurting him more than helping him. I know he means well, but the path to hell is paved with good intentions. I am well aware of what people are saying on the FAQ, but much of that is "we are team Paul/Gene" bashing. These same people were shitting on Ace even before the album came out with the guy from Trixter producing the album. I don't really think the members of KISSFAQ are necessarily credible here as there are clearly biases and people taking sides which I am sure you have seen on the board when it comes to many things. But sure, I even said in my commentary that Brown clearly has an ego, however Ace's new album is much better than the last and there is even some really strong stuff on the album...for Ace. Not for some other band, so I can only logically come to the conclusion that this is due to Brown. So credit where credit is due. I guess I am used to rock stars, musicians, actors and other entertainers being full of themselves, so I guess to me the interview with Brown was same shit different day and it didn't really bother me. Brown was hand picked by Def Leppard to be their fill in guitarist when virtuoso Vivian Campbell isn't available. Before you say anything, I know Vivian isn't required to play the same as he did for Dio and Whitesnake in Def Leppard, but still - there are literally hundreds of guitarists that Def Leppard could have picked. Is it possible that Brown is actually much more talented than you are even aware of, since you really know nothing about him? I certainly wouldn't pick some average guitarist to fill on for a name guitarist in my name. Would you? Just like Bon Jovi picked Phil X to replace Richie, because he is a fantastic guitarist. I agree about Vinnie, but he has a right to earn a living and if people want to go to his events, then so be it. That's on them. People with YouTube shows are gonna want to talk to him. They have probably wanted to talk to Vinnie since the 80's and have a million questions. Remember that Vinnie had been in hiding for years writing songs in Nashville under a different name.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 1, 2024 3:07:36 GMT -5
I don't think doing some fill-ins basically as Phil Collen's rhythm player says anything about Brown's ability. Music is not a meritocracy, and a lot of times it's more about who you know. Tommy Thayer got a much more high profile and lucrative gig, which really had little to do with playing ability. Same with the Chili Peppers. They held open auditions, then hired their buddy from Jane's Addiction. Like Thayer, Brown has seemingly managed to schmooze his way into the game, albeit in a much lower league. Good for him,but let's not pretend that playing some simple Def Leppard songs (which I love), makes him a virtuoso. And before you ask, yes, I could do the gig in my sleep. But they'd never have me, since my pecs and abs would give Phil a run for his money. There you go, now I can get arrogant, too. You've been married for a long time and out of the dating game. But you probably remember - women love confidence, but hate arrogance. It's the same with this - nothing wrong with being proud of your work. But coming off with confidence is different than coming off with arrogance.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2024 10:19:56 GMT -5
I don't think doing some fill-ins basically as Phil Collen's rhythm player says anything about Brown's ability. Music is not a meritocracy, and a lot of times it's more about who you know. Tommy Thayer got a much more high profile and lucrative gig, which really had little to do with playing ability. Same with the Chili Peppers. They held open auditions, then hired their buddy from Jane's Addiction. Like Thayer, Brown has seemingly managed to schmooze his way into the game, albeit in a much lower league. Good for him,but let's not pretend that playing some simple Def Leppard songs (which I love), makes him a virtuoso. And before you ask, yes, I could do the gig in my sleep. But they'd never have me, since my pecs and abs would give Phil a run for his money. There you go, now I can get arrogant, too. You've been married for a long time and out of the dating game. But you probably remember - women love confidence, but hate arrogance. It's the same with this - nothing wrong with being proud of your work. But coming off with confidence is different than coming off with arrogance. I almost sense a bitterness and jealously in you. You can't just say or concede maybe he does in fact have something that you haven't seen or heard that appealed to Def Leppard. I don't know why you need to downplay it. Vivian Campell is a virtuoso and he is playing what you would deem simple songs. I think you are going over the top on Brown now, which I find odd because you almost know nothing about him, his work or abilities. It would be one thing to be critical of someone like Thayer, because you are VERY familiar with their work in Black N Blue across their albums and KISS and then come to a conclusion about him. What you are doing here is the equivalent of me being critical of some hockey player for some reason or because maybe he is an asshole in interviews, but I don't really know anything about him, because I don't follow the NHL. Literally thousands of musicians have been arrogant from the 60's to today. You know this. I just don't understand why Steve Brown is making your alarm bells go off, especially when you didn't even watch the episode, but are primarily commenting on what KISS nerds are saying. I am not denying that he does have an ego and is arrogant, but who cares really? It is so common that it really shouldn't be surprising. I think he has gotten better in the last 20 years, but many years back - people always said that Richie Kotzen was kind of an asshole and thought he was better than everyone else. That he just came off that way, even if it wasn't intentional and just a vibe he gave off. I assure you that countless men have gotten laid because of what you would deem to be arrogance. There is often a fine line between arrogance and confidence. There is a whole culture now online of really arrogant men who are passing on their so called wisdom to young dudes and who obviously have no problem getting women. Andrew Tate and the like if you are familiar with him. Everyone knows that many women love the bad boy and nice guys finish last, especially before they decide they are ready to look for a husband. So many guys have complained that they are a nice guy and have much to offer a women - why can't they meet anyone. Meanwhile the asshole is picking up women left and right.
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Post by Joma on Mar 1, 2024 10:43:18 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I like Steve Brown and admit his 3 Sides appearance wasn't the best look for him or Ace, but I would say he was sorta being egged on by dudes stroking his jock and he got caught up in it. When I met Steve at CreaturesFest and after an Acpustic Trixter show, he was super cool, approachable, and down to earth. No ego or attitude. So the 3 Sides thing kinda caught me off-guard...he usually comes off a lot better than that in my limited experience and what I've seen.
As far as the FAQ, though, HM is correct that the bias there is off the charts by dudes just waiting to pile on Steve and/or Ace. The album was getting pretty good reviews and feedback so they're grasping to anything to bring it down as much as they can. To be fair, he did rub some objective folks the wrong way, too, but most don't seem overly offended or otherwise...just that he could've been a bit more humble and shone Ace in a better light. Most of those that are going hard on SB have and have had an agenda for a long time.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2024 11:17:37 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I like Steve Brown and admit his 3 Sides appearance wasn't the best look for him or Ace, but I would say he was sorta being egged on by dudes stroking his jock and he got caught up in it. When I met Steve at CreaturesFest and after an Acpustic Trixter show, he was super cool, approachable, and down to earth. No ego or attitude. So the 3 Sides thing kinda caught me off-guard...he usually comes off a lot better than that in my limited experience and what I've seen. As far as the FAQ, though, HM is correct that the bias there is off the charts by dudes just waiting to pile on Steve and/or Ace. The album was getting pretty good reviews and feedback so they're grasping to anything to bring it down as much as they can. To be fair, he did rub some objective folks the wrong way, too, but most don't seem overly offended or otherwise...just that he could've been a bit more humble and shone Ace in a better light. Most of those that are going hard on SB have and have had an agenda for a long time. That's the thing. For years all I heard was how nice Steve Brown is. What a good dude he is, not an asshole, etc. I suppose this is why he has been able to get gigs with Def Leppard and Dennis DeYoung, because apparently he is super cool talented guy. So when you met him - it wasn't surprising when you confirmed what I had been heard about him for years. I mean he played you songs from the new Ace album off his phone. I mean come on - that was awesome for him to do that. You weren't treated like some peasant. Yes, there is huge bias on the FAQ. People ready to hate the album before a single note was heard and mocking because the guy from Trixter was producing. Thefinalword is evidence of this among others. I do think 3 Sides is a factor too as you indicated as to how he was responding.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 1, 2024 14:45:18 GMT -5
I don't think doing some fill-ins basically as Phil Collen's rhythm player says anything about Brown's ability. Music is not a meritocracy, and a lot of times it's more about who you know. Tommy Thayer got a much more high profile and lucrative gig, which really had little to do with playing ability. Same with the Chili Peppers. They held open auditions, then hired their buddy from Jane's Addiction. Like Thayer, Brown has seemingly managed to schmooze his way into the game, albeit in a much lower league. Good for him,but let's not pretend that playing some simple Def Leppard songs (which I love), makes him a virtuoso. And before you ask, yes, I could do the gig in my sleep. But they'd never have me, since my pecs and abs would give Phil a run for his money. There you go, now I can get arrogant, too. You've been married for a long time and out of the dating game. But you probably remember - women love confidence, but hate arrogance. It's the same with this - nothing wrong with being proud of your work. But coming off with confidence is different than coming off with arrogance. I almost sense a bitterness and jealously in you. You can't just say or concede maybe he does in fact have something that you haven't seen or heard that appealed to Def Leppard. I don't know why you need to downplay it. Vivian Campell is a virtuoso and he is playing what you would deem simple songs. I think you are going over the top on Brown now, which I find odd because you almost know nothing about him, his work or abilities. It would be one thing to be critical of someone like Thayer, because you are VERY familiar with their work in Black N Blue across their albums and KISS and then come to a conclusion about him. What you are doing here is the equivalent of me being critical of some hockey player for some reason or because maybe he is an asshole in interviews, but I don't really know anything about him, because I don't follow the NHL. Literally thousands of musicians have been arrogant from the 60's to today. You know this. I just don't understand why Steve Brown is making your alarm bells go off, especially when you didn't even watch the episode, but are primarily commenting on what KISS nerds are saying. I am not denying that he does have an ego and is arrogant, but who cares really? It is so common that it really shouldn't be surprising. I think he has gotten better in the last 20 years, but many years back - people always said that Richie Kotzen was kind of an asshole and thought he was better than everyone else. That he just came off that way, even if it wasn't intentional and just a vibe he gave off. I assure you that countless men have gotten laid because of what you would deem to be arrogance. There is often a fine line between arrogance and confidence. There is a whole culture now online of really arrogant men who are passing on their so called wisdom to young dudes and who obviously have no problem getting women. Andrew Tate and the like if you are familiar with him. Everyone knows that many women love the bad boy and nice guys finish last, especially before they decide they are ready to look for a husband. So many guys have complained that they are a nice guy and have much to offer a women - why can't they meet anyone. Meanwhile the asshole is picking up women left and right. Think whatever you want, but I've just never liked braggarts. I'm a little more tolerant if someone has achieved a high level in their craft; but that's not the case here. I've said repeatedly I was ready for a major change, via grunge. Part of that was the idiotic arrogance of the bands. The guys in Nirvana said while recording Nevermind the record company put them up at the same apartments as Europe. They said the Europe guys would be hanging out at the pool with their stripper girlfriends and mock them when they walked by. That made Cobain glad he helped bring down the scene. But at least Europe had some huge hits and were great musicians. Steve Brown played in Trixter and produced essentially an indie album for a geriatric. The conceit isn't earned, in my opinion. Brown got the job with Leppard the same way Thayer got the job in Kiss, which you've criticized. Or were there open auditions I didn't hear about?
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2024 15:09:12 GMT -5
I almost sense a bitterness and jealously in you. You can't just say or concede maybe he does in fact have something that you haven't seen or heard that appealed to Def Leppard. I don't know why you need to downplay it. Vivian Campell is a virtuoso and he is playing what you would deem simple songs. I think you are going over the top on Brown now, which I find odd because you almost know nothing about him, his work or abilities. It would be one thing to be critical of someone like Thayer, because you are VERY familiar with their work in Black N Blue across their albums and KISS and then come to a conclusion about him. What you are doing here is the equivalent of me being critical of some hockey player for some reason or because maybe he is an asshole in interviews, but I don't really know anything about him, because I don't follow the NHL. Literally thousands of musicians have been arrogant from the 60's to today. You know this. I just don't understand why Steve Brown is making your alarm bells go off, especially when you didn't even watch the episode, but are primarily commenting on what KISS nerds are saying. I am not denying that he does have an ego and is arrogant, but who cares really? It is so common that it really shouldn't be surprising. I think he has gotten better in the last 20 years, but many years back - people always said that Richie Kotzen was kind of an asshole and thought he was better than everyone else. That he just came off that way, even if it wasn't intentional and just a vibe he gave off. I assure you that countless men have gotten laid because of what you would deem to be arrogance. There is often a fine line between arrogance and confidence. There is a whole culture now online of really arrogant men who are passing on their so called wisdom to young dudes and who obviously have no problem getting women. Andrew Tate and the like if you are familiar with him. Everyone knows that many women love the bad boy and nice guys finish last, especially before they decide they are ready to look for a husband. So many guys have complained that they are a nice guy and have much to offer a women - why can't they meet anyone. Meanwhile the asshole is picking up women left and right. Think whatever you want, but I've just never liked braggarts. I'm a little more tolerant if someone has achieved a high level in their craft; but that's not the case here. I've said repeatedly I was ready for a major change, via grunge. Part of that was the idiotic arrogance of the bands. The guys in Nirvana said while recording Nevermind the record company put them up at the same apartments as Europe. They said the Europe guys would be hanging out at the pool with their stripper girlfriends and mock them when they walked by. That made Cobain glad he helped bring down the scene. But at least Europe had some huge hits and were great musicians. Steve Brown played in Trixter and produced essentially an indie album for a geriatric. The conceit isn't earned, in my opinion. Brown got the job with Leppard the same way Thayer got the job in Kiss, which you've criticized. Or were there open auditions I didn't hear about? Thayer was already working for KISS and they just handed him the job. Entirely different situation. I am completely familiar with Tommy's career. He was a boring as fuck guitarist in Black N' Blue and brought exactly that to KISS. Keep in mind too that Tommy couldn't make a living as a guitarist once Black N Blue ended. He tried a couple of times with some other bands, but no one cared about them and he didn't get any other music career offers. So he became a gopher for Paul and Gene and then put on the makeup pretending to be Ace Frehley. On the opposite end, Steve Brown has worked consistently pretty much since the first Trixter album doing other things as well and he is much more talented than Thayer. But you haven't really heard anything he has done, but are making assumptions because the band name Trixter is really cheesy. It's the same thing that people on the FAQ are doing. They know fuck all about their 5 albums, but nonetheless - Trixter is lame. Just to clarify, I am not suggesting these are brilliant albums and Trixter should be in the RARHOF or something, but they are FAR better (after the weaker debut) than people who know nothing about them but their band name would have you believe. Far and away better than Heaven's Edge, Tuff and other late to game hair metal bands. I can't even believe I am even defending Brown, because I am not that much of a fan, but it infuriates me when people talk about someone that they clearly know nothing about, but act like they do. Or make assumptions, etc.
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Post by Joma on Mar 1, 2024 16:24:53 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I like Steve Brown and admit his 3 Sides appearance wasn't the best look for him or Ace, but I would say he was sorta being egged on by dudes stroking his jock and he got caught up in it. When I met Steve at CreaturesFest and after an Acpustic Trixter show, he was super cool, approachable, and down to earth. No ego or attitude. So the 3 Sides thing kinda caught me off-guard...he usually comes off a lot better than that in my limited experience and what I've seen. As far as the FAQ, though, HM is correct that the bias there is off the charts by dudes just waiting to pile on Steve and/or Ace. The album was getting pretty good reviews and feedback so they're grasping to anything to bring it down as much as they can. To be fair, he did rub some objective folks the wrong way, too, but most don't seem overly offended or otherwise...just that he could've been a bit more humble and shone Ace in a better light. Most of those that are going hard on SB have and have had an agenda for a long time. That's the thing. For years all I heard was how nice Steve Brown is. What a good dude he is, not an asshole, etc. I suppose this is why he has been able to get gigs with Def Leppard and Dennis DeYoung, because apparently he is super cool talented guy. So when you met him - it wasn't surprising when you confirmed what I had been heard about him for years. I mean he played you songs from the new Ace album off his phone. I mean come on - that was awesome for him to do that. You weren't treated like some peasant. Yes, there is huge bias on the FAQ. People ready to hate the album before a single note was heard and mocking because the guy from Trixter was producing. Thefinalword is evidence of this among others. I do think 3 Sides is a factor too as you indicated as to how he was responding. FWIW pt II, before seeing them play and meeting them...I was largely in the lol-Trixter camp. I thought they were decent enough when they came out, I bought their cassette...but I never bothered buying the CD when I moved on from cassettes. But they were damn good live and super cool dudes just hanging out in the hotel bar after Bruce played the last night. I revisited their albums when I got back and thought they were pretty decent...and that's why I ended up going to see them last summer when I got to hear the Ace tunes. And then I checked out some of the other stuff he's been involved with, like 40ft Ringo, which I think is a really good album. It's a little bit Marvelous 3 sounding, which I love...
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 1, 2024 17:57:44 GMT -5
Think whatever you want, but I've just never liked braggarts. I'm a little more tolerant if someone has achieved a high level in their craft; but that's not the case here. I've said repeatedly I was ready for a major change, via grunge. Part of that was the idiotic arrogance of the bands. The guys in Nirvana said while recording Nevermind the record company put them up at the same apartments as Europe. They said the Europe guys would be hanging out at the pool with their stripper girlfriends and mock them when they walked by. That made Cobain glad he helped bring down the scene. But at least Europe had some huge hits and were great musicians. Steve Brown played in Trixter and produced essentially an indie album for a geriatric. The conceit isn't earned, in my opinion. Brown got the job with Leppard the same way Thayer got the job in Kiss, which you've criticized. Or were there open auditions I didn't hear about? Thayer was already working for KISS and they just handed him the job. Entirely different situation. I am completely familiar with Tommy's career. He was a boring as fuck guitarist in Black N' Blue and brought exactly that to KISS. Keep in mind too that Tommy couldn't make a living as a guitarist once Black N Blue ended. He tried a couple of times with some other bands, but no one cared about them and he didn't get any other music career offers. So he became a gopher for Paul and Gene and then put on the makeup pretending to be Ace Frehley. On the opposite end, Steve Brown has worked consistently pretty much since the first Trixter album doing other things as well and he is much more talented than Thayer. But you haven't really heard anything he has done, but are making assumptions because the band name Trixter is really cheesy. It's the same thing that people on the FAQ are doing. They know fuck all about their 5 albums, but nonetheless - Trixter is lame. Just to clarify, I am not suggesting these are brilliant albums and Trixter should be in the RARHOF or something, but they are FAR better (after the weaker debut) than people who know nothing about them but their band name would have you believe. Far and away better than Heaven's Edge, Tuff and other late to game hair metal bands. I can't even believe I am even defending Brown, because I am not that much of a fan, but it infuriates me when people talk about someone that they clearly know nothing about, but act like they do. Or make assumptions, etc. I am familiar with Brown and Trixter, and I always defend the hair metal bands; Trixter included. I even found their second album in a box of CDs someone gave me, and put on during workouts a few years ago. I thought it was good, and really liked the ballad As The Candle Burns. I even think I gave an ok rating to a song by his Tokyo band you sent me years ago. And Brown was on Full In Bloom a while back. Making a living as a guitarist has always been a crapshoot. Allan Holdsworth, who many hail as the greatest electric guitarist ever, died broke and was contemplating getting a job as a greeter at Walmart shortly before his death. I commend anyone that finds a way to make it work. But I can't stand the unwarranted victory laps. I'm with Kurt Cobain on that one. If Howard Stern came out and said, "Screw the haters, we won," I'd think he was brash; but at least he's at the top of the mountain. When Three Sides said it, I thought "Don't break your arms patting yourselves on the back." If Abraham Zapruder said, "Give me $10K for this film I have or I'm burning it," I'd think that was a jerk move, but justified. When Gooch did that with the "I" video, I thought he couldn't be a bigger blowhard. If after making Hysteria Mutt Lange came out as arrogant as Brown (which Mutt actually did the opposite), I'd think he was full of himself, but rightfully so. After hearing Cherry Medicine and then how Brown is presenting himself, I lost respect for him. How strange is it that Mutt made countless masterpieces, yet in the few interviews with him he's as humble as can be; yet in the internet age every Joe Blow thinks he's a god? I actually like Tommy better than Brown as a guitarist, and that was before all his recent hubris. I've actually quoted some Tommy Thayer licks in my own songs but I've never heard a Brown lick I liked enough to learn. Sure, there are women who like bad boys. But more often than not, those women have issues themselves, the relationships become toxic, and rarely endure.
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Post by KISS79 on Mar 1, 2024 18:06:50 GMT -5
Eliteworks on EBAY has a Blu-Ray called
"GOOCH BLOWS GOATS" and it's PRO-SHOT, The highest bidder right now is that READ MY BODY Video guy who outbid ROS RADLEY.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 1, 2024 20:10:57 GMT -5
Thayer was already working for KISS and they just handed him the job. Entirely different situation. I am completely familiar with Tommy's career. He was a boring as fuck guitarist in Black N' Blue and brought exactly that to KISS. Keep in mind too that Tommy couldn't make a living as a guitarist once Black N Blue ended. He tried a couple of times with some other bands, but no one cared about them and he didn't get any other music career offers. So he became a gopher for Paul and Gene and then put on the makeup pretending to be Ace Frehley. On the opposite end, Steve Brown has worked consistently pretty much since the first Trixter album doing other things as well and he is much more talented than Thayer. But you haven't really heard anything he has done, but are making assumptions because the band name Trixter is really cheesy. It's the same thing that people on the FAQ are doing. They know fuck all about their 5 albums, but nonetheless - Trixter is lame. Just to clarify, I am not suggesting these are brilliant albums and Trixter should be in the RARHOF or something, but they are FAR better (after the weaker debut) than people who know nothing about them but their band name would have you believe. Far and away better than Heaven's Edge, Tuff and other late to game hair metal bands. I can't even believe I am even defending Brown, because I am not that much of a fan, but it infuriates me when people talk about someone that they clearly know nothing about, but act like they do. Or make assumptions, etc. I am familiar with Brown and Trixter, and I always defend the hair metal bands; Trixter included. I even found their second album in a box of CDs someone gave me, and put on during workouts a few years ago. I thought it was good, and really liked the ballad As The Candle Burns. I even think I gave an ok rating to a song by his Tokyo band you sent me years ago. And Brown was on Full In Bloom a while back. Making a living as a guitarist has always been a crapshoot. Allan Holdsworth, who many hail as the greatest electric guitarist ever, died broke and was contemplating getting a job as a greeter at Walmart shortly before his death. I commend anyone that finds a way to make it work. But I can't stand the unwarranted victory laps. I'm with Kurt Cobain on that one. If Howard Stern came out and said, "Screw the haters, we won," I'd think he was brash; but at least he's at the top of the mountain. When Three Sides said it, I thought "Don't break your arms patting yourselves on the back." If Abraham Zapruder said, "Give me $10K for this film I have or I'm burning it," I'd think that was a jerk move, but justified. When Gooch did that with the "I" video, I thought he couldn't be a bigger blowhard. If after making Hysteria Mutt Lange came out as arrogant as Brown (which Mutt actually did the opposite), I'd think he was full of himself, but rightfully so. After hearing Cherry Medicine and then how Brown is presenting himself, I lost respect for him. How strange is it that Mutt made countless masterpieces, yet in the few interviews with him he's as humble as can be; yet in the internet age every Joe Blow thinks he's a god? I actually like Tommy better than Brown as a guitarist, and that was before all his recent hubris. I've actually quoted some Tommy Thayer licks in my own songs but I've never heard a Brown lick I liked enough to learn. Sure, there are women who like bad boys. But more often than not, those women have issues themselves, the relationships become toxic, and rarely endure. Many entertainers brag, or have ego or are arrogant as it relates to their own world or bubble. Not necessarily if they have achieved greatness by some objective high standard. For example if you were someone who was arrogant and you released a new instrumental album that a small demographic was loving and you were on podcasts talking about your "brilliance", you may mean nothing to people outside that bubble - but inside that bubble, you are a star so to speak to those that love the music you make. It's been that way forever. We have seen so many singers and guitarists who are incredibly arrogant and full of themselves and while I may even enjoy their music, it just kind of goes with the territory. Warranted or not. By all accounts Steve is a great guy and very nice. So I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just feeding off some KISS nerds and it didn't come across well. He is proud of the album and his effort and went into all he did because KISS fans tend to like the minutiae, but let's not go over the top here that Brown set some kind of new standard for arrogance. It was pretty mild by ego/arrogant musician standards, especially considering he did do all the heavy lifting on the album. I am sure you have seen the comments on the FAQ - A Steve Brown solo album featuring Ace Frehley. Hundreds of unwarranted musicians with an ego and absolute constant arrogance over the decades should be on your hit list long before Steve Brown makes it and you want to focus on him.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 2, 2024 0:16:17 GMT -5
I am familiar with Brown and Trixter, and I always defend the hair metal bands; Trixter included. I even found their second album in a box of CDs someone gave me, and put on during workouts a few years ago. I thought it was good, and really liked the ballad As The Candle Burns. I even think I gave an ok rating to a song by his Tokyo band you sent me years ago. And Brown was on Full In Bloom a while back. Making a living as a guitarist has always been a crapshoot. Allan Holdsworth, who many hail as the greatest electric guitarist ever, died broke and was contemplating getting a job as a greeter at Walmart shortly before his death. I commend anyone that finds a way to make it work. But I can't stand the unwarranted victory laps. I'm with Kurt Cobain on that one. If Howard Stern came out and said, "Screw the haters, we won," I'd think he was brash; but at least he's at the top of the mountain. When Three Sides said it, I thought "Don't break your arms patting yourselves on the back." If Abraham Zapruder said, "Give me $10K for this film I have or I'm burning it," I'd think that was a jerk move, but justified. When Gooch did that with the "I" video, I thought he couldn't be a bigger blowhard. If after making Hysteria Mutt Lange came out as arrogant as Brown (which Mutt actually did the opposite), I'd think he was full of himself, but rightfully so. After hearing Cherry Medicine and then how Brown is presenting himself, I lost respect for him. How strange is it that Mutt made countless masterpieces, yet in the few interviews with him he's as humble as can be; yet in the internet age every Joe Blow thinks he's a god? I actually like Tommy better than Brown as a guitarist, and that was before all his recent hubris. I've actually quoted some Tommy Thayer licks in my own songs but I've never heard a Brown lick I liked enough to learn. Sure, there are women who like bad boys. But more often than not, those women have issues themselves, the relationships become toxic, and rarely endure. Many entertainers brag, or have ego or are arrogant as it relates to their own world or bubble. Not necessarily if they have achieved greatness by some objective high standard. For example if you were someone who was arrogant and you released a new instrumental album that a small demographic was loving and you were on podcasts talking about your "brilliance", you may mean nothing to people outside that bubble - but inside that bubble, you are a star so to speak to those that love the music you make. It's been that way forever. We have seen so many singers and guitarists who are incredibly arrogant and full of themselves and while I may even enjoy their music, it just kind of goes with the territory. Warranted or not. By all accounts Steve is a great guy and very nice. So I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just feeding off some KISS nerds and it didn't come across well. He is proud of the album and his effort and went into all he did because KISS fans tend to like the minutiae, but let's not go over the top here that Brown set some kind of new standard for arrogance. It was pretty mild by ego/arrogant musician standards, especially considering he did do all the heavy lifting on the album. I am sure you have seen the comments on the FAQ - A Steve Brown solo album featuring Ace Frehley. Hundreds of unwarranted musicians with an ego and absolute constant arrogance over the decades should be on your hit list long before Steve Brown makes it and you want to focus on him. And I disagree with all of them. I think it's completely unnecessary and an awful look. It makes one look like a buffoon championing their own mediocrity. It's what I called out Vinnie for in the other thread, as I've called out others. I've learned a bunch of jump rope moves from Floyd Mayweather. There may not be a bigger ego in existence; but he's also one of the greatest boxers in history. So I don't mind. I have never found unwarranted pomposity and conceit appealing. Ridley Greig, a fringe NHLer on a last place team, had the brilliant idea to showboat in the waning seconds of a victory over the Leafs. Toronto's Morgan Reilly, one of the most civil players in the game, took exception, and cross-checked Greig in the face. The world needs more Morgan Reillys and fewer Ridley Griegs. In the unlikely event I ever meet Morgan Reilly, I'm buying him a beer.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 2, 2024 0:33:55 GMT -5
Many entertainers brag, or have ego or are arrogant as it relates to their own world or bubble. Not necessarily if they have achieved greatness by some objective high standard. For example if you were someone who was arrogant and you released a new instrumental album that a small demographic was loving and you were on podcasts talking about your "brilliance", you may mean nothing to people outside that bubble - but inside that bubble, you are a star so to speak to those that love the music you make. It's been that way forever. We have seen so many singers and guitarists who are incredibly arrogant and full of themselves and while I may even enjoy their music, it just kind of goes with the territory. Warranted or not. By all accounts Steve is a great guy and very nice. So I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just feeding off some KISS nerds and it didn't come across well. He is proud of the album and his effort and went into all he did because KISS fans tend to like the minutiae, but let's not go over the top here that Brown set some kind of new standard for arrogance. It was pretty mild by ego/arrogant musician standards, especially considering he did do all the heavy lifting on the album. I am sure you have seen the comments on the FAQ - A Steve Brown solo album featuring Ace Frehley. Hundreds of unwarranted musicians with an ego and absolute constant arrogance over the decades should be on your hit list long before Steve Brown makes it and you want to focus on him. And I disagree with all of them. I think it's completely unnecessary and an awful look. It makes one look like a buffoon championing their own mediocrity. It's what I called out Vinnie for in the other thread, as I've called out others. I've learned a bunch of jump rope moves from Floyd Mayweather. There may not be a bigger ego in existence; but he's also one of the greatest boxers in history. So I don't mind. I have never found unwarranted pomposity and conceit appealing. Ridley Greig, a fringe NHLer on a last place team, had the brilliant idea to showboat in the waning seconds of a victory over the Leafs. Toronto's Morgan Reilly, one of the most civil players in the game, took exception, and cross-checked Greig in the face. The world needs more Morgan Reillys and fewer Ridley Griegs. In the unlikely event I ever meet Morgan Reilly, I'm buying him a beer. Arrogance probably isn't really ever warranted, even if you are in a position where you can toot your own horn and completely back it up due to something great you have done. In fact it is probably even worse if you are the among the greatest at something and walk into a room telling everyone how awesome you are vs. someone who is arrogant for questionable accomplishments. People may just dismiss you as delusional and move on with their lives. But if you are an actual living legend so to speak and doing that, you are just the worst kind of asshole. Let's say Vinnie was delivering to your satisfaction. Can still play the guitar like he did in the 80's, didn't burn bridges and fuck over fans. Just a nice guy where it didn't work out with KISS and went his own way and had a musical career for the last 30 years or whatever. What would you say then to all the KISS podcasts having him on saying he saved KISS and gushing over him. If he was to play along with them and agree with that he saved KISS or made KISS better at the time or whatever agreeing with the podcast hosts as they kiss his ass - would that be unwarranted arrogance if in this scenario he hasn't lost a step?
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 2, 2024 1:42:26 GMT -5
And I disagree with all of them. I think it's completely unnecessary and an awful look. It makes one look like a buffoon championing their own mediocrity. It's what I called out Vinnie for in the other thread, as I've called out others. I've learned a bunch of jump rope moves from Floyd Mayweather. There may not be a bigger ego in existence; but he's also one of the greatest boxers in history. So I don't mind. I have never found unwarranted pomposity and conceit appealing. Ridley Greig, a fringe NHLer on a last place team, had the brilliant idea to showboat in the waning seconds of a victory over the Leafs. Toronto's Morgan Reilly, one of the most civil players in the game, took exception, and cross-checked Greig in the face. The world needs more Morgan Reillys and fewer Ridley Griegs. In the unlikely event I ever meet Morgan Reilly, I'm buying him a beer. Arrogance probably isn't really ever warranted, even if you are in a position where you can toot your own horn and completely back it up due to something great you have done. In fact it is probably even worse if you are the among the greatest at something and walk into a room telling everyone how awesome you are vs. someone who is arrogant for questionable accomplishments. People may just dismiss you as delusional and move on with their lives. But if you are an actual living legend so to speak and doing that, you are just the worst kind of asshole. Let's say Vinnie was delivering to your satisfaction. Can still play the guitar like he did in the 80's, didn't burn bridges and fuck over fans. Just a nice guy where it didn't work out with KISS and went his own way and had a musical career for the last 30 years or whatever. What would you say then to all the KISS podcasts having him on saying he saved KISS and gushing over him. If he was to play along with them and agree with that he saved KISS or made KISS better at the time or whatever agreeing with the podcast hosts as they kiss his ass - would that be unwarranted arrogance if in this scenario he hasn't lost a step? While I do reluctantly tolerate it from people at the top of their field, I completely agree on arrogance never being warranted. As I've gotten older, I am even more about forgiveness, respect, understanding. I've seen people in my age range die unexpectedly, suffer irreversible physical and/or mental problems, etc. I've been putting my body through intensity for years now, and have endured injuries. I'll be 56 next month and know I won't be jumping forever. So with each injury, I think, "Is this it? Am I done?" Thankfully I'm not there yet. But I treat every jump as if it's my last. My sister showed me pics of Christina Applegate, who has MS. It was devastating. So I don't take anything for granted. Everyone fights their own battles. I would have no problem with Vinnie if he were simply honest. He doesn't even need to play. I think most fans feel that way; but he not only won't be upfront, he has delusions of grandeur on an immense scale. Suds brought up that asinine sign posted on a rehearsal room door, saying Vinnie was rehearsing with a live band. What a fraud! Debating whether Vinnie saved Kiss could (and should) be lighthearted fun; kinda like the Ginger vs. Marianne debate. But when Vinnie and his followers are so entrenched in their misinformation, and attack anyone who disagrees - that's when they've gone off the deep end. That level of delusion, along with misplaced priorities, is why you sometimes see cities burn over pointless things like sporting events. As I've mentioned - without the pomposity, I'd be pulling for all these guys. I just hate how so many people in so many walks of life now believe arrogance is the key to success. Our entire world would be much more peaceful if people from all walks of life would dial back the hubris.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 2, 2024 1:51:05 GMT -5
Arrogance probably isn't really ever warranted, even if you are in a position where you can toot your own horn and completely back it up due to something great you have done. In fact it is probably even worse if you are the among the greatest at something and walk into a room telling everyone how awesome you are vs. someone who is arrogant for questionable accomplishments. People may just dismiss you as delusional and move on with their lives. But if you are an actual living legend so to speak and doing that, you are just the worst kind of asshole. Let's say Vinnie was delivering to your satisfaction. Can still play the guitar like he did in the 80's, didn't burn bridges and fuck over fans. Just a nice guy where it didn't work out with KISS and went his own way and had a musical career for the last 30 years or whatever. What would you say then to all the KISS podcasts having him on saying he saved KISS and gushing over him. If he was to play along with them and agree with that he saved KISS or made KISS better at the time or whatever agreeing with the podcast hosts as they kiss his ass - would that be unwarranted arrogance if in this scenario he hasn't lost a step? While I do reluctantly tolerate it from people at the top of their field, I completely agree on arrogance never being warranted. As I've gotten older, I am even more about forgiveness, respect, understanding. I've seen people in my age range die unexpectedly, suffer irreversible physical and/or mental problems, etc. I've been putting my body through intensity for years now, and have endured injuries. I'll be 56 next month and know I won't be jumping forever. So with each injury, I think, "Is this it? Am I done?" Thankfully I'm not there yet. But I treat every jump as if it's my last. My sister showed me pics of Christina Applegate, who has MS. It was devastating. So I don't take anything for granted. Everyone fights their own battles. I would have no problem with Vinnie if he were simply honest. He doesn't even need to play. I think most fans feel that way; but he not only won't be upfront, he has delusions of grandeur on an immense scale. Suds brought up that asinine sign posted on a rehearsal room door, saying Vinnie was rehearsing with a live band. What a fraud! Debating whether Vinnie saved Kiss could (and should) be lighthearted fun; kinda like the Ginger vs. Marianne debate. But when Vinnie and his followers are so entrenched in their misinformation, and attack anyone who disagrees - that's when they've gone off the deep end. That level of delusion, along with misplaced priorities, is why you sometimes see cities burn over pointless things like sporting events. As I've mentioned - without the pomposity, I'd be pulling for all these guys. I just hate how so many people in so many walks of life now believe arrogance is the key to success. Our entire world would be much more peaceful if people from all walks of life would dial back the hubris. I agree for the most part, but arrogance and confidence or just playing the marketing and promotion game can be a fine line. Funny enough, some people have said on the forums that I am arrogant or have an ego or use whatever word you want basically with the same meaning and yet you seemed to like that about me when we first started talking on the FAQ years and and well here we are.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 2, 2024 2:46:57 GMT -5
While I do reluctantly tolerate it from people at the top of their field, I completely agree on arrogance never being warranted. As I've gotten older, I am even more about forgiveness, respect, understanding. I've seen people in my age range die unexpectedly, suffer irreversible physical and/or mental problems, etc. I've been putting my body through intensity for years now, and have endured injuries. I'll be 56 next month and know I won't be jumping forever. So with each injury, I think, "Is this it? Am I done?" Thankfully I'm not there yet. But I treat every jump as if it's my last. My sister showed me pics of Christina Applegate, who has MS. It was devastating. So I don't take anything for granted. Everyone fights their own battles. I would have no problem with Vinnie if he were simply honest. He doesn't even need to play. I think most fans feel that way; but he not only won't be upfront, he has delusions of grandeur on an immense scale. Suds brought up that asinine sign posted on a rehearsal room door, saying Vinnie was rehearsing with a live band. What a fraud! Debating whether Vinnie saved Kiss could (and should) be lighthearted fun; kinda like the Ginger vs. Marianne debate. But when Vinnie and his followers are so entrenched in their misinformation, and attack anyone who disagrees - that's when they've gone off the deep end. That level of delusion, along with misplaced priorities, is why you sometimes see cities burn over pointless things like sporting events. As I've mentioned - without the pomposity, I'd be pulling for all these guys. I just hate how so many people in so many walks of life now believe arrogance is the key to success. Our entire world would be much more peaceful if people from all walks of life would dial back the hubris. I agree for the most part, but arrogance and confidence or just playing the marketing and promotion game can be a fine line. Funny enough, some people have said on the forums that I am arrogant or have an ego or use whatever word you want basically with the same meaning and yet you seemed to like that about me when we first started talking on the FAQ years and and well here we are. But here's the difference - I knew you were playing a role (and very well, I might add). It's like pro players who deliberately get under their opponent's skin. Even like we do here - we can debate and get a little carried away. But we know we're not really attacking one another. It's that fine line between clever and stupid; between confidence and arrogance; between laughing with or laughing at. I never got the sense Vinnie was having fun with this, nor do I from what I gather about Brown. They are dead serious. And in Vinnie's case, he only got worse. That's what I got about Stevie, at least in the past. He didn't have any pretense about him. Now part of the fun can be getting reactions from those who aren't in on the joke; like we did with Saint's apartment thread. But no one in their right mind should've taken that seriously. Here it is if anyone missed it: www.kissfaq.com/forum24/viewtopic.php?p=2708144&sid=7b7510d767cb231a9df305120fd23604#p2708144
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 2, 2024 2:56:30 GMT -5
I agree for the most part, but arrogance and confidence or just playing the marketing and promotion game can be a fine line. Funny enough, some people have said on the forums that I am arrogant or have an ego or use whatever word you want basically with the same meaning and yet you seemed to like that about me when we first started talking on the FAQ years and and well here we are. But here's the difference - I knew you were playing a role (and very well, I might add). It's like pro players who deliberately get under their opponent's skin. Even like we do here - we can debate and get a little carried away. But we know we're not really attacking one another. It's that fine line between clever and stupid; between confidence and arrogance; between laughing with or laughing at. I never got the sense Vinnie was having fun with this, nor do I from what I gather about Brown. They are dead serious. And in Vinnie's case, he only got worse. That's what I got about Stevie, at least in the past. He didn't have any pretense about him. Now part of the fun can be getting reactions from those who aren't in on the joke; like we did with Saint's apartment thread. But no one in their right mind should've taken that seriously. Here it is if anyone missed it: www.kissfaq.com/forum24/viewtopic.php?p=2708144&sid=7b7510d767cb231a9df305120fd23604#p2708144Damn it. You found it and I can't read it now due to being banned. It is really interesting to me that you understood me right away - but years later some people are still convinced that they need to warn people about me like I am dangerous. It just makes me laugh how clueless some people are.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 2, 2024 15:06:00 GMT -5
But here's the difference - I knew you were playing a role (and very well, I might add). It's like pro players who deliberately get under their opponent's skin. Even like we do here - we can debate and get a little carried away. But we know we're not really attacking one another. It's that fine line between clever and stupid; between confidence and arrogance; between laughing with or laughing at. I never got the sense Vinnie was having fun with this, nor do I from what I gather about Brown. They are dead serious. And in Vinnie's case, he only got worse. That's what I got about Stevie, at least in the past. He didn't have any pretense about him. Now part of the fun can be getting reactions from those who aren't in on the joke; like we did with Saint's apartment thread. But no one in their right mind should've taken that seriously. Here it is if anyone missed it: www.kissfaq.com/forum24/viewtopic.php?p=2708144&sid=7b7510d767cb231a9df305120fd23604#p2708144Damn it. You found it and I can't read it now due to being banned. It is really interesting to me that you understood me right away - but years later some people are still convinced that they need to warn people about me like I am dangerous. It just makes me laugh how clueless some people are. I've got screen shots in case it ever gets deleted. Yes, some people take it all way too seriously. You've always separated the character from the real you. It's like when two hockey players fight. They're throwing punches back and forth, but when it's over, they commend/acknowledge their opponent, and peacefully skate to the penalty box. Problems arise when people don't separate their online personas from real life - Vinnie, Gooch, Andrew, Ros, etc. Remember when Gooch got insulted at Sludge and tried to track down a poster and have him fired from his job? I believe the guy was an ambulance driver. Can you imagine wanting someone fired from a meaningful job over a Kiss video?
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 2, 2024 15:51:16 GMT -5
Damn it. You found it and I can't read it now due to being banned. It is really interesting to me that you understood me right away - but years later some people are still convinced that they need to warn people about me like I am dangerous. It just makes me laugh how clueless some people are. I've got screen shots in case it ever gets deleted. Yes, some people take it all way too seriously. You've always separated the character from the real you. It's like when two hockey players fight. They're throwing punches back and forth, but when it's over, they commend/acknowledge their opponent, and peacefully skate to the penalty box. Problems arise when people don't separate their online personas from real life - Vinnie, Gooch, Andrew, Ros, etc. Remember when Gooch got insulted at Sludge and tried to track down a poster and have him fired from his job? I believe the guy was an ambulance driver. Can you imagine wanting someone fired from a meaningful job over a Kiss video? Some people absolutely take this shit way too seriously. Michael Brandvold did the same too from what I have seen. You just don't call someone's boss because they called you out online - especially over KISS. Don't fuck with someone's livelihood. With my brother being a lawyer, if they did that to me, I would have sued them into homelessness. Now excuse me, but I am going to burn some rare KISS video footage now, because people won't pay what I want for it.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 20:01:02 GMT -5
Looks like Blackwell spoke too soon. I had the chance to hear a new Vinnie Vincent song with singer Faysal Smile. I gotta say the guitar playing was smokin’! Solid track! I’m impressed. Coming soon! Mitch Lafon.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 5, 2024 22:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 22:46:12 GMT -5
LOL. You are just jealous because you haven't gotten to a level on the guitar yet that can be described as smokin'.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 6, 2024 1:34:38 GMT -5
LOL. You are just jealous because you haven't gotten to a level on the guitar yet that can be described as smokin'. At this stage, anyone posting a Vinnie update with "Coming Soon!" is a Grade-A a**hole. The boy has cried wolf WAY too many times. Put the imaginary song on YouTube, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, whatever. Share a link or shut the f**k up.
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Mar 6, 2024 6:57:06 GMT -5
Speedball Jamm with overdubbed singing.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 6, 2024 10:57:37 GMT -5
I spoke to Mitch. We have been in touch over the years. I sided with him over the 3 Sides split with Brandvold, etc. He is a good guy and I respect him.
He says the studio date of the song is January 4th 2024. This is newly created music with a new vocal. The guitar work far exceeded his expectations.
He believes it will be a summer release, but we have been down this road before.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 6, 2024 14:55:25 GMT -5
I spoke to Mitch. We have been in touch over the years. I sided with him over the 3 Sides split with Brandvold, etc. He is a good guy and I respect him. He says the studio date of the song is January 4th 2024. This is newly created music with a new vocal. The guitar work far exceeded his expectations. He believes it will be a summer release, but we have been down this road before. But at this stage, posting a "Coming soon!" regarding Vinnie portrays Mitch as nothing more than a click-whore, desperate to feel relevant, as if he's somehow in the know (like the countless who have been misled down the primrose path). The false alarms are too numerous to count. I loved Ken's quote that the door sign saying Vinnie was inside rehearsing was probably a broom closet. And again it's not 1987. If he posted a clip, even a snippet, it's not going to cannibalize sales (which are going to be minuscule regardless). It's a pointless, ego-driven circle jerk.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 6, 2024 15:20:08 GMT -5
I spoke to Mitch. We have been in touch over the years. I sided with him over the 3 Sides split with Brandvold, etc. He is a good guy and I respect him. He says the studio date of the song is January 4th 2024. This is newly created music with a new vocal. The guitar work far exceeded his expectations. He believes it will be a summer release, but we have been down this road before. But at this stage, posting a "Coming soon!" regarding Vinnie portrays Mitch as nothing more than a click-whore, desperate to feel relevant, as if he's somehow in the know (like the countless who have been misled down the primrose path). The false alarms are too numerous to count. I loved Ken's quote that the door sign saying Vinnie was inside rehearsing was probably a broom closet. And again it's not 1987. If he posted a clip, even a snippet, it's not going to cannibalize sales (which are going to be minuscule regardless). It's a pointless, ego-driven circle jerk. As I know Mitch, I can at least say that he wouldn't lie about a song that didn't exist and he wouldn't hype a song if he wasn't legitimately impressed by it. Outside of that, it is out of his hands. He isn't guaranteeing that it is coming soon, but just was told that it would be. There is no reason to call out Mitch here. He is credible at what he does. I believe he has heard a new song and I also believe because this is Vinnie - the rest of the world may never hear what Mitch heard.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 6, 2024 16:40:34 GMT -5
But at this stage, posting a "Coming soon!" regarding Vinnie portrays Mitch as nothing more than a click-whore, desperate to feel relevant, as if he's somehow in the know (like the countless who have been misled down the primrose path). The false alarms are too numerous to count. I loved Ken's quote that the door sign saying Vinnie was inside rehearsing was probably a broom closet. And again it's not 1987. If he posted a clip, even a snippet, it's not going to cannibalize sales (which are going to be minuscule regardless). It's a pointless, ego-driven circle jerk. As I know Mitch, I can at least say that he wouldn't lie about a song that didn't exist and he wouldn't hype a song if he wasn't legitimately impressed by it. Outside of that, it is out of his hands. He isn't guaranteeing that it is coming soon, but just was told that it would be. There is no reason to call out Mitch here. He is credible at what he does. I believe he has heard a new song and I also believe because this is Vinnie - the rest of the world may never hear what Mitch heard. But what's even the point of posting this? How many false alarms, cancelled shows, secret meetings, band practices in broom closets, etc., have there been? In less effort than it takes to post a "Coming soon!" for the thousandth time, a simple audio clip could be posted. Why hype a song no one can hear? At this stage, it's all click-whoring desperation from anyone enabling the Delusion Messiah.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 6, 2024 17:15:03 GMT -5
As I know Mitch, I can at least say that he wouldn't lie about a song that didn't exist and he wouldn't hype a song if he wasn't legitimately impressed by it. Outside of that, it is out of his hands. He isn't guaranteeing that it is coming soon, but just was told that it would be. There is no reason to call out Mitch here. He is credible at what he does. I believe he has heard a new song and I also believe because this is Vinnie - the rest of the world may never hear what Mitch heard. But what's even the point of posting this? How many false alarms, cancelled shows, secret meetings, band practices in broom closets, etc., have there been? In less effort than it takes to post a "Coming soon!" for the thousandth time, a simple audio clip could be posted. Why hype a song no one can hear? At this stage, it's all click-whoring desperation from anyone enabling the Delusion Messiah. If I heard a new Vinnie song - I would post that I heard it. Would that make me an attention whore or just acknowledging what really happened?
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