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Post by Joma on Mar 15, 2024 16:04:18 GMT -5
Agreed...I spent time typing up a reply and decided fuck it before hitting submit. It's like arguing with the wall.
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Post by Joma on Mar 15, 2024 16:09:50 GMT -5
I still had the tab up with the reply I abandoned...
It's certainly possible they expected it to fair better with download and streaming sales...but they entirely misjudged the physical sales since it sold out and took almost two weeks to appear back on Amazon again. It's still not available on CD again on Amazon proper...only through 3rd party sellers.And it's still not available again on the Target, Walmart, Best Buy, etc sites.
Would it have charted where his albums usually do if it had been properly stocked? We'll never know... But that it sold out of what they made they are probably not planning to drop him.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 15, 2024 16:29:55 GMT -5
I still had the tab up with the reply I abandoned... It's certainly possible they expected it to fair better with download and streaming sales...but they entirely misjudged the physical sales since it sold out and took almost two weeks to appear back on Amazon again. It's still not available on CD again on Amazon proper...only through 3rd party sellers.And it's still not available again on the Target, Walmart, Best Buy, etc sites. Would it have charted where his albums usually do if it had been properly stocked? We'll never know... But that it sold out of what they made they are probably not planning to drop him. The label wouldn't have been in the Ace Frehley business this long if they didn't have a general idea of what he would sell. Many bands/artists with higher profile than Ace have actually sold less than Ace, so I am quite sure the label is going to remain in the Ace Frehley business with Origins 3 as already planned. It was never going to sell 30K+ in the first week anyway even if the label was on top of physical distribution and it was almost as good as Ace 78. Every year that passes and this has been for a while now - you are just going to sell less and less. Deep Purple sells 4K to 6K of their new albums and this was years ago - but they still hired Bob Ezrin to produce their albums. A new KISS album would sell dick today in comparison to the Sonic Monster/Monster years. One of the many things that comes with being a KISS fan is that you are surrounded by absolute mouth breathers - KISS just attracts that demographic and they are all over the FAQ - despite the people on there that do know what they are talking about. They know who they are. |
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Post by Joma on Mar 15, 2024 17:24:00 GMT -5
I still had the tab up with the reply I abandoned... It's certainly possible they expected it to fair better with download and streaming sales...but they entirely misjudged the physical sales since it sold out and took almost two weeks to appear back on Amazon again. It's still not available on CD again on Amazon proper...only through 3rd party sellers.And it's still not available again on the Target, Walmart, Best Buy, etc sites. Would it have charted where his albums usually do if it had been properly stocked? We'll never know... But that it sold out of what they made they are probably not planning to drop him. The label wouldn't have been in the Ace Frehley business this long if they didn't have a general idea of what he would sell. Many bands/artists with higher profile than Ace have actually sold less than Ace, so I am quite sure the label is going to remain in the Ace Frehley business with Origins 3 as already planned. It was never going to sell 30K+ in the first week anyway even if the label was on top of physical distribution and it was almost as good as Ace 78. Every year that passes and this has been for a while now - you are just going to sell less and less. Deep Purple sells 4K to 6K of their new albums and this was years ago - but they still hired Bob Ezrin to produce their albums. A new KISS album would sell dick today in comparison to the Sonic Monster/Monster years. One of the many things that comes with being a KISS fan is that you are surrounded by absolute mouth breathers - KISS just attracts that demographic and they are all over the FAQ - despite the people on there that do know what they are talking about. They know who they are. Yeah, it probably would not have sold double what it did...but had it sold another 2 or 3k, what would that have translated to in the charts? 5 spots? 20 spots? I tried looking it up, but couldn't find the numbers that would show or suggest that... |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 15, 2024 17:38:44 GMT -5
The label wouldn't have been in the Ace Frehley business this long if they didn't have a general idea of what he would sell. Many bands/artists with higher profile than Ace have actually sold less than Ace, so I am quite sure the label is going to remain in the Ace Frehley business with Origins 3 as already planned. It was never going to sell 30K+ in the first week anyway even if the label was on top of physical distribution and it was almost as good as Ace 78. Every year that passes and this has been for a while now - you are just going to sell less and less. Deep Purple sells 4K to 6K of their new albums and this was years ago - but they still hired Bob Ezrin to produce their albums. A new KISS album would sell dick today in comparison to the Sonic Monster/Monster years. One of the many things that comes with being a KISS fan is that you are surrounded by absolute mouth breathers - KISS just attracts that demographic and they are all over the FAQ - despite the people on there that do know what they are talking about. They know who they are. Yeah, it probably would not have sold double what it did...but had it sold another 2 or 3k, what would that have translated to in the charts? 5 spots? 20 spots? I tried looking it up, but couldn't find the numbers that would show or suggest that... Considering Paul sold 8K, I was expecting in the 15K ballpark for Ace's new album with 2024 sales. Expecting 20 to 30K is not realistic TODAY for Ace or the vast majority of similar bands/artists. I realize that Paul's album wasn't a rock album, but that doesn't matter much - KISS fans are gonna buy it no matter what. Live To Win sold less than Ace's albums back then too. A ton of name bands/artists sold less than Ace did and yet no one is critical of their sales. Just Ace is doomed. I wonder why that is. |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 16, 2024 22:13:30 GMT -5
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Post by kissoff on Mar 16, 2024 22:41:12 GMT -5
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Post by battra on Mar 17, 2024 13:37:44 GMT -5
Sadly, Ace probably would... But few claim Ace is a good guy. Is anyone in KISS a good guy? Like I always say - KISS were four assholes who found each other with Peter coming off the best today and Paul coming off the worst. No. they are four terrible people. |
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Post by battra on Mar 17, 2024 13:38:18 GMT -5
To be fair, you could probably do a search on any producer and there will be a promo shot with them and the studio.  And that really is the gist of my issue with this whole thing. Are we really comparing Bob Kulick as a producer to Bob Rock? Posing with a mixer makes one a producer about as much as posing with the Stanley Cup makes one an NHL champion. I'm all for Bob K., Brown, Vinnie, Stevie, etc. finding their way in the current challenging landscape. But can we please stop the over-the-top, unwarranted self-congratulations? (Stevie actually is the most grounded of the bunch, and he's actually done more with less.) I say this in all seriousness - you've mentioned wanting to get into production. You should. You don't need to know the technical aspects of music, and if you wanted to, you could get on the level of Brown or Bob K. in a few months. Those mixers look intimidating, but are essentially obsolete. In the case of Bob K. and Vinnie, they were only props anyway. Plus, you could hire an engineer to assist. If you are willing to invest your own money, you could even start your own independent label. Of course I think it's never going to turn a profit, which is why I believe real numbers today are guarded like Ft. Knox. But if it's something you're passionate about, something along the lines of 10K Volts is within your reach musically and commercially. I'll pull for you all the way; just don't come on here thinking you're Bruce Fairbairn.  I POSED WITH THE CUP IN 2019! I'M A STANLEY CUP CHAMPION!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 17, 2024 13:46:24 GMT -5
And that really is the gist of my issue with this whole thing. Are we really comparing Bob Kulick as a producer to Bob Rock? Posing with a mixer makes one a producer about as much as posing with the Stanley Cup makes one an NHL champion. I'm all for Bob K., Brown, Vinnie, Stevie, etc. finding their way in the current challenging landscape. But can we please stop the over-the-top, unwarranted self-congratulations? (Stevie actually is the most grounded of the bunch, and he's actually done more with less.) I say this in all seriousness - you've mentioned wanting to get into production. You should. You don't need to know the technical aspects of music, and if you wanted to, you could get on the level of Brown or Bob K. in a few months. Those mixers look intimidating, but are essentially obsolete. In the case of Bob K. and Vinnie, they were only props anyway. Plus, you could hire an engineer to assist. If you are willing to invest your own money, you could even start your own independent label. Of course I think it's never going to turn a profit, which is why I believe real numbers today are guarded like Ft. Knox. But if it's something you're passionate about, something along the lines of 10K Volts is within your reach musically and commercially. I'll pull for you all the way; just don't come on here thinking you're Bruce Fairbairn. I POSED WITH THE CUP IN 2019! I'M A STANLEY CUP CHAMPION!!!!!!!! I didn't realize we had a sports personality here. While hockey and football are different sports, I imagine as a sports celebrity you hang with other sports celebs. Is Aaron Rodgers as fucking dumb as he appears? |
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Post by battra on Mar 17, 2024 13:55:17 GMT -5
I POSED WITH THE CUP IN 2019! I'M A STANLEY CUP CHAMPION!!!!!!!! I didn't realize we had a sports personality here. While hockey and football are different sports, I imagine as a sports celebrity you hang with other sports celebs. Is Aaron Rodgers as fucking dumb as he appears? Only Spring Football Matters. The NFL can eat its own butt. |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 17, 2024 14:10:09 GMT -5
To be fair, you could probably do a search on any producer and there will be a promo shot with them and the studio. And that really is the gist of my issue with this whole thing. Are we really comparing Bob Kulick as a producer to Bob Rock? Posing with a mixer makes one a producer about as much as posing with the Stanley Cup makes one an NHL champion. I'm all for Bob K., Brown, Vinnie, Stevie, etc. finding their way in the current challenging landscape. But can we please stop the over-the-top, unwarranted self-congratulations? (Stevie actually is the most grounded of the bunch, and he's actually done more with less.) I say this in all seriousness - you've mentioned wanting to get into production. You should. You don't need to know the technical aspects of music, and if you wanted to, you could get on the level of Brown or Bob K. in a few months. Those mixers look intimidating, but are essentially obsolete. In the case of Bob K. and Vinnie, they were only props anyway. Plus, you could hire an engineer to assist. If you are willing to invest your own money, you could even start your own independent label. Of course I think it's never going to turn a profit, which is why I believe real numbers today are guarded like Ft. Knox. But if it's something you're passionate about, something along the lines of 10K Volts is within your reach musically and commercially. I'll pull for you all the way; just don't come on here thinking you're Bruce Fairbairn. With battra responding to this comment, something had occurred to me. You say this equipment that Bob Rock is standing in front of is now obsolete. I will take your word for it, however what if my band "Hey Man" wants to go all retro and record an album analog so it sounds like it was recorded in the 70's or 80's. Wouldn't this obsolete equipment be needed and more importantly - a producer/engineer who knows their way around this equipment like the back of their hand? I get it that it would be a rare occurrence, but still - fewer and fewer producers who know how to use that equipment. Maybe Steve Brown is one of them.  |
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 18, 2024 22:55:02 GMT -5
And that really is the gist of my issue with this whole thing. Are we really comparing Bob Kulick as a producer to Bob Rock? Posing with a mixer makes one a producer about as much as posing with the Stanley Cup makes one an NHL champion. I'm all for Bob K., Brown, Vinnie, Stevie, etc. finding their way in the current challenging landscape. But can we please stop the over-the-top, unwarranted self-congratulations? (Stevie actually is the most grounded of the bunch, and he's actually done more with less.) I say this in all seriousness - you've mentioned wanting to get into production. You should. You don't need to know the technical aspects of music, and if you wanted to, you could get on the level of Brown or Bob K. in a few months. Those mixers look intimidating, but are essentially obsolete. In the case of Bob K. and Vinnie, they were only props anyway. Plus, you could hire an engineer to assist. If you are willing to invest your own money, you could even start your own independent label. Of course I think it's never going to turn a profit, which is why I believe real numbers today are guarded like Ft. Knox. But if it's something you're passionate about, something along the lines of 10K Volts is within your reach musically and commercially. I'll pull for you all the way; just don't come on here thinking you're Bruce Fairbairn. I POSED WITH THE CUP IN 2019! I'M A STANLEY CUP CHAMPION!!!!!!!! Maybe, but I bet you didn't get your name engraved on the Cup! I just checked hockeydb.com and you didn't play 41 regular season games or one game in the Final. |
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 18, 2024 23:09:49 GMT -5
And that really is the gist of my issue with this whole thing. Are we really comparing Bob Kulick as a producer to Bob Rock? Posing with a mixer makes one a producer about as much as posing with the Stanley Cup makes one an NHL champion. I'm all for Bob K., Brown, Vinnie, Stevie, etc. finding their way in the current challenging landscape. But can we please stop the over-the-top, unwarranted self-congratulations? (Stevie actually is the most grounded of the bunch, and he's actually done more with less.) I say this in all seriousness - you've mentioned wanting to get into production. You should. You don't need to know the technical aspects of music, and if you wanted to, you could get on the level of Brown or Bob K. in a few months. Those mixers look intimidating, but are essentially obsolete. In the case of Bob K. and Vinnie, they were only props anyway. Plus, you could hire an engineer to assist. If you are willing to invest your own money, you could even start your own independent label. Of course I think it's never going to turn a profit, which is why I believe real numbers today are guarded like Ft. Knox. But if it's something you're passionate about, something along the lines of 10K Volts is within your reach musically and commercially. I'll pull for you all the way; just don't come on here thinking you're Bruce Fairbairn. With battra responding to this comment, something had occurred to me. You say this equipment that Bob Rock is standing in front of is now obsolete. I will take your word for it, however what if my band "Hey Man" wants to go all retro and record an album analog so it sounds like it was recorded in the 70's or 80's. Wouldn't this obsolete equipment be needed and more importantly - a producer/engineer who knows their way around this equipment like the back of their hand? I get it that it would be a rare occurrence, but still - fewer and fewer producers who know how to use that equipment. Maybe Steve Brown is one of them. The analog/digital debate - which raged for decades - is pretty much over; digital won. There was an art form to working with analog - achieving tape saturation while recording drums, etc. There are inexpensive plug-ins for digital recording that nowadays are very good. They will simulate quite well. Mix in the fact almost no one listens on high-end audio equipment, recording budgets range from small to nonexistent, and there is no justifiable reason to use old, expensive equipment. When the 80's ended and the trend shifted away from high-gloss recordings of advanced musicianship, everyone got back on the analog bandwagon. Even Aerosmith, Get a Grip had a Spars Code of AAA, which is technically impossible. That means it was recorded, mixed, and mastered all analog. But to be on CD it had to be digitally mastered. Upper left:  |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 18, 2024 23:26:46 GMT -5
With battra responding to this comment, something had occurred to me. You say this equipment that Bob Rock is standing in front of is now obsolete. I will take your word for it, however what if my band "Hey Man" wants to go all retro and record an album analog so it sounds like it was recorded in the 70's or 80's. Wouldn't this obsolete equipment be needed and more importantly - a producer/engineer who knows their way around this equipment like the back of their hand? I get it that it would be a rare occurrence, but still - fewer and fewer producers who know how to use that equipment. Maybe Steve Brown is one of them. The analog/digital debate - which raged for decades - is pretty much over; digital won. There was an art form to working with analog - achieving tape saturation while recording drums, etc. There are inexpensive plug-ins for digital recording that nowadays are very good. They will simulate quite well. Mix in the fact almost no one listens on high-end audio equipment, recording budgets range from small to nonexistent, and there is no justifiable reason to use old, expensive equipment. When the 80's ended and the trend shifted away from high-gloss recordings of advanced musicianship, everyone got back on the analog bandwagon. Even Aerosmith, Get a Grip had a Spars Code of AAA, which is technically impossible. That means it was recorded, mixed, and mastered all analog. But to be on CD it had to be digitally mastered. Upper left: Oh I know digital won, but there have been bands that chose to record a new album the old fashioned way - on tape, even using guitars, drums and other 70's equipment to try to duplicate a certain sound as much as possible. I don't know if there are programs now on your laptop that can make it legitimately sound like your album was recorded in 1976. If there are, then yes - it would be seem big clunky machines are indeed obsolete. |
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 18, 2024 23:50:00 GMT -5
Yes, they are called plugins, and they are essentially software that emulates certain sounds. I don't use any, as I have no qualms with digital (I'm not Neil Young ). Here are some tape saturation plugins:   You can even buy plugins that emulate channel strips of the most famous mixers in the world. Even more reason those staged pics of Vinnie and Bob Kulick in front of giant mixers are pointless. The Solid State Logic (SSL) is one of the most famous mixers. I believe it's what Eddie had at 5150. You can now have it on your laptop.  |
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 19, 2024 0:03:28 GMT -5
Yes, they are called plugins, and they are essentially software that emulates certain sounds. I don't use any, as I have no qualms with digital (I'm not Neil Young ). Here are some tape saturation plugins: You can even buy plugins that emulate channel strips of the most famous mixers in the world. Even more reason those staged pics of Vinnie and Bob Kulick in front of giant mixers are pointless. The Solid State Logic (SSL) is one of the most famous mixers. I believe it's what Eddie had at 5150. You can now have it on your laptop. OK, but like anything digital or with advanced technology, sometimes things can't be exactly replicated. Something is still lacking, even if it is still very close. It is missing the soul of analog or something. I would be shocked if I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an album recorded in 1976 and an emulator that makes it sound like it was recorded in 1976. |
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 19, 2024 0:19:03 GMT -5
Yes, they are called plugins, and they are essentially software that emulates certain sounds. I don't use any, as I have no qualms with digital (I'm not Neil Young ). Here are some tape saturation plugins: You can even buy plugins that emulate channel strips of the most famous mixers in the world. Even more reason those staged pics of Vinnie and Bob Kulick in front of giant mixers are pointless. The Solid State Logic (SSL) is one of the most famous mixers. I believe it's what Eddie had at 5150. You can now have it on your laptop. OK, but like anything digital or with advanced technology, sometimes things can't be exactly replicated. Something is still lacking, even if it is still very close. It is missing the soul of analog or something. I would be shocked if I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an album recorded in 1976 and an emulator that makes it sound like it was recorded in 1976. I'm with you there, but as technology continues to advance, even the most ardent traditionalists are capitulating. Another similar debate revolves around old-fashioned tube amps vs. Solid State amps. The connoisseurs would always stick to their guns - tubes were unbeatable. But even most of them concede digitally modeled amps have won out. Nowadays even if there is a little difference, it's not enough to matter. Factor in no one is getting blank checks to record anymore, so modeled amps and digital plugins rule the day. Would I love to mic a cranked Marshall in a state of the art studio, through a vintage board? Absolutely. But it's not a reality, sadly. |
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Post by battra on Mar 19, 2024 11:31:14 GMT -5
I POSED WITH THE CUP IN 2019! I'M A STANLEY CUP CHAMPION!!!!!!!! Maybe, but I bet you didn't get your name engraved on the Cup! I just checked hockeydb.com and you didn't play 41 regular season games or one game in the Final. The letters that spell my name were definitely engraved on that cup!!! Serious though, I made sure to look into the bottom of the cup. I wanted to see that. Yes I know the cup is a fake, but still cool. |
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