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Post by Hey Man on Mar 4, 2024 15:47:31 GMT -5
Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame-inductee and guitar legend, Ace Frehley, has topped both the Hard Music and Rock Album charts with his new album, 10,000 Volts. Additionally, the album comes in at #2 on the Independent Chart, #3 on the Internet Albums Charts, and #4 on the Vinyl, Album Sales, and Current Album Sales Charts. The album has also charted internationally, debuting at #1 on the Sweden physical album chart, #13 in Switzerland, #13 on the UK Independent Album Breakers Chart, and #21 on the German album chart, with more to come. 10,000 Volts was released on February 23 via MNRK Heavy, and has sold more in the first week of release than his last studio album, 2018's Spaceman. 10,000 Volts was produced and co-written by Ace and Steve Brown.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 4, 2024 15:51:48 GMT -5
Good for him - despite album sales today. I am just glad he sold more than Paul Stanley. Again.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 4, 2024 19:24:51 GMT -5
Ouch. But there's still hope. The album's predecessor, Hysteria, also got off to a slow start.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 4, 2024 19:57:07 GMT -5
Ouch. But there's still hope. The album's predecessor, Hysteria, also got off to a slow start. LOL. Hey you take the wins where you can get them. If your new album was on top of the smooth jazz charts, you would brag about that too.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 4, 2024 22:50:52 GMT -5
Ouch. But there's still hope. The album's predecessor, Hysteria, also got off to a slow start. LOL. Hey you take the wins where you can get them. If your new album was on top of the smooth jazz charts, you would brag about that too. Actually I wouldn't. And I certainly wouldn't have bragged the way Brown did, especially for a glorified indie demo, that bombed anyway. "I make hit records." Sure you do; and I win Superbowls and bang supermodels. Hey, if we're living on Fantasy Island, might as well go all out. I'm not wired that way. I played hockey for years as a kid and later as an adult. In competitive leagues, too. Braggarts and a**holes typically were picking their teeth up off the ice after their showboating. Plus, I've talked to some big names in smooth jazz - Acoustic Alchemy, Rippingtons. The smooth jazz chart today is about as meaningless as these rock charts, from what the guys in the bands said. I'm still very athletic and the last thing I need is to be sidelined from breaking my arm patting myself on the back.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 4, 2024 23:12:49 GMT -5
LOL. Hey you take the wins where you can get them. If your new album was on top of the smooth jazz charts, you would brag about that too. Actually I wouldn't. And I certainly wouldn't have bragged the way Brown did, especially for a glorified indie demo, that bombed anyway. "I make hit records." Sure you do; and I win Superbowls and bang supermodels. Hey, if we're living on Fantasy Island, might as well go all out. I'm not wired that way. I played hockey for years as a kid and later as an adult. In competitive leagues, too. Braggarts and a**holes typically were picking their teeth up off the ice after their showboating. Plus, I've talked to some big names in smooth jazz - Acoustic Alchemy, Rippingtons. The smooth jazz chart today is about as meaningless as these rock charts, from what the guys in the bands said. I'm still very athletic and the last thing I need is to be sidelined from breaking my arm patting myself on the back. I don't really get the indie demo comment. It's a professionally produced album that a respectable record label paid for. Professionally doesn't just mean Mutt Lange and Bruce Fairbairn, but anyone that does production work for a living and has the ability to do so. I actually went to school for music production. Had I stuck with it, finished and then offered my services to the world, I could professionally produce your album, but obviously you have to start at the bottom before you get such opportunities. People can debate the quality of the songs, but KISS actually releasing an album of demos with Hot In The Shade because they pocketed the record advance is far worse than whatever issue you have with an album you haven't even heard. One or two songs you may have listened to doesn't tell the full story of ANY album.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 5, 2024 0:25:50 GMT -5
Actually I wouldn't. And I certainly wouldn't have bragged the way Brown did, especially for a glorified indie demo, that bombed anyway. "I make hit records." Sure you do; and I win Superbowls and bang supermodels. Hey, if we're living on Fantasy Island, might as well go all out. I'm not wired that way. I played hockey for years as a kid and later as an adult. In competitive leagues, too. Braggarts and a**holes typically were picking their teeth up off the ice after their showboating. Plus, I've talked to some big names in smooth jazz - Acoustic Alchemy, Rippingtons. The smooth jazz chart today is about as meaningless as these rock charts, from what the guys in the bands said. I'm still very athletic and the last thing I need is to be sidelined from breaking my arm patting myself on the back. I don't really get the indie demo comment. It's a professionally produced album that a respectable record label paid for. Professionally doesn't just mean Mutt Lange and Bruce Fairbairn, but anyone that does production work for a living and has the ability to do so. I actually went to school for music production. Had I stuck with it, finished and then offered my services to the world, I could professionally produce your album, but obviously you have to start at the bottom before you get such opportunities. People can debate the quality of the songs, but KISS actually releasing an album of demos with Hot In The Shade because they pocketed the record advance is far worse than whatever issue you have with an album you haven't even heard. One or two songs you may have listened to doesn't tell the full story of ANY album. I was just referencing that it's #2 on the independent album chart. Look, my whole thing with all of this is, I detest egomaniacs and blowhards, especially when it's unwarranted. I thought Bob Kulick looked like an ass with his bragging, I called out Vinnie over his delusions, and did the same with Steve Brown. In all our debates over many years, I've always stuck up for the hair metal guys. I'd have done the same for Brown were it not for his pomposity. I listened to the singles, which are supposed to entice me to by the album. I now see where this whole scenario is an extension of the Kiss vs. Ace debate, of which I don't take a side. My only points are, for the minuscule reach this album has, and for the not-so-great quality, Steve Brown has come off extremely arrogant.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 0:30:04 GMT -5
I don't really get the indie demo comment. It's a professionally produced album that a respectable record label paid for. Professionally doesn't just mean Mutt Lange and Bruce Fairbairn, but anyone that does production work for a living and has the ability to do so. I actually went to school for music production. Had I stuck with it, finished and then offered my services to the world, I could professionally produce your album, but obviously you have to start at the bottom before you get such opportunities. People can debate the quality of the songs, but KISS actually releasing an album of demos with Hot In The Shade because they pocketed the record advance is far worse than whatever issue you have with an album you haven't even heard. One or two songs you may have listened to doesn't tell the full story of ANY album. I was just referencing that it's #2 on the independent album chart. Look, my whole thing with all of this is, I detest egomaniacs and blowhards, especially when it's unwarranted. I thought Bob Kulick looked like an ass with his bragging, I called out Vinnie over his delusions, and did the same with Steve Brown. In all our debates over many years, I've always stuck up for the hair metal guys. I'd have done the same for Brown were it not for his pomposity. I listened to the singles, which are supposed to entice me to by the album. I now see where this whole scenario is an extension of the Kiss vs. Ace debate, of which I don't take a side. My only points are, for the minuscule reach this album has, and for the not-so-great quality, Steve Brown has come off extremely arrogant. Did you know Bob Kulick was a Grammy Award winning producer?
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 5, 2024 1:03:26 GMT -5
I was just referencing that it's #2 on the independent album chart. Look, my whole thing with all of this is, I detest egomaniacs and blowhards, especially when it's unwarranted. I thought Bob Kulick looked like an ass with his bragging, I called out Vinnie over his delusions, and did the same with Steve Brown. In all our debates over many years, I've always stuck up for the hair metal guys. I'd have done the same for Brown were it not for his pomposity. I listened to the singles, which are supposed to entice me to by the album. I now see where this whole scenario is an extension of the Kiss vs. Ace debate, of which I don't take a side. My only points are, for the minuscule reach this album has, and for the not-so-great quality, Steve Brown has come off extremely arrogant. Did you know Bob Kulick was a Grammy Award winning producer? Absolutely. Bob was one of only a handful of people on Planet Earth who knew how to a run 545 channel mixer.
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Post by Psychocreature on Mar 5, 2024 6:33:18 GMT -5
Good for Ace.
That said, I have no plans to purchase.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 10:20:28 GMT -5
Good for Ace. That said, I have no plans to purchase. What if Ace promises to vote for Trump if you buy the album?
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Post by Joma on Mar 5, 2024 10:26:21 GMT -5
Good for Ace. That said, I have no plans to purchase. What if Ace promises to vote for Trump if you buy the album? Sadly, Ace probably would... But few claim Ace is a good guy.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 10:32:00 GMT -5
Did you know Bob Kulick was a Grammy Award winning producer? Absolutely. Bob was one of only a handful of people on Planet Earth who knew how to a run 545 channel mixer. To be fair, you could probably do a search on any producer and there will be a promo shot with them and the studio.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 10:36:56 GMT -5
What if Ace promises to vote for Trump if you buy the album? Sadly, Ace probably would... But few claim Ace is a good guy. Is anyone in KISS a good guy? Like I always say - KISS were four assholes who found each other with Peter coming off the best today and Paul coming off the worst.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 5, 2024 13:30:40 GMT -5
Absolutely. Bob was one of only a handful of people on Planet Earth who knew how to a run 545 channel mixer. To be fair, you could probably do a search on any producer and there will be a promo shot with them and the studio. And that really is the gist of my issue with this whole thing. Are we really comparing Bob Kulick as a producer to Bob Rock? Posing with a mixer makes one a producer about as much as posing with the Stanley Cup makes one an NHL champion. I'm all for Bob K., Brown, Vinnie, Stevie, etc. finding their way in the current challenging landscape. But can we please stop the over-the-top, unwarranted self-congratulations? (Stevie actually is the most grounded of the bunch, and he's actually done more with less.) I say this in all seriousness - you've mentioned wanting to get into production. You should. You don't need to know the technical aspects of music, and if you wanted to, you could get on the level of Brown or Bob K. in a few months. Those mixers look intimidating, but are essentially obsolete. In the case of Bob K. and Vinnie, they were only props anyway. Plus, you could hire an engineer to assist. If you are willing to invest your own money, you could even start your own independent label. Of course I think it's never going to turn a profit, which is why I believe real numbers today are guarded like Ft. Knox. But if it's something you're passionate about, something along the lines of 10K Volts is within your reach musically and commercially. I'll pull for you all the way; just don't come on here thinking you're Bruce Fairbairn.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 13:47:13 GMT -5
And that really is the gist of my issue with this whole thing. Are we really comparing Bob Kulick as a producer to Bob Rock? Posing with a mixer makes one a producer about as much as posing with the Stanley Cup makes one an NHL champion. I'm all for Bob K., Brown, Vinnie, Stevie, etc. finding their way in the current challenging landscape. But can we please stop the over-the-top, unwarranted self-congratulations? (Stevie actually is the most grounded of the bunch, and he's actually done more with less.) I say this in all seriousness - you've mentioned wanting to get into production. You should. You don't need to know the technical aspects of music, and if you wanted to, you could get on the level of Brown or Bob K. in a few months. Those mixers look intimidating, but are essentially obsolete. In the case of Bob K. and Vinnie, they were only props anyway. Plus, you could hire an engineer to assist. If you are willing to invest your own money, you could even start your own independent label. Of course I think it's never going to turn a profit, which is why I believe real numbers today are guarded like Ft. Knox. But if it's something you're passionate about, something along the lines of 10K Volts is within your reach musically and commercially. I'll pull for you all the way; just don't come on here thinking you're Bruce Fairbairn. I spoke about my brief adventure many years ago with music production here: thefreewheeler.proboards.com/post/260086The thing that you don't seem to get is that with any career in life - there are different tiers of talent and quality. They are all professional, but you also get what you pay for - be it plumbers, chefs, mechanics and yes, music producers. So Bob Kulick and Steve Brown would be among those lower tier producers, but will still do professional work for you. Or when Bob Kulick was alive. Just as in the 80's, there was the top level producers of Lange, Rock, Fairbairn and a handful of others, but there was also a bunch of B and C level producers as well working on hair metal albums for major labels. Howard Benson for example has gone on to bigger and better things, but I remember he was thought of as a hack and practically a bad sign if you saw that he was the producer on some hair metal album you just bought. Like Tuff and Pretty Boy Floyd. You can't have the mentality that if you are not as good as any A List producer, you have no right calling yourself a producer.
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Post by Joma on Mar 5, 2024 14:15:06 GMT -5
I quite like PBF's album...
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 14:21:30 GMT -5
I quite like PBF's album... Well we all have our guilty pleasures. He also produced Southgang, which I liked.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 5, 2024 14:52:38 GMT -5
And that really is the gist of my issue with this whole thing. Are we really comparing Bob Kulick as a producer to Bob Rock? Posing with a mixer makes one a producer about as much as posing with the Stanley Cup makes one an NHL champion. I'm all for Bob K., Brown, Vinnie, Stevie, etc. finding their way in the current challenging landscape. But can we please stop the over-the-top, unwarranted self-congratulations? (Stevie actually is the most grounded of the bunch, and he's actually done more with less.) I say this in all seriousness - you've mentioned wanting to get into production. You should. You don't need to know the technical aspects of music, and if you wanted to, you could get on the level of Brown or Bob K. in a few months. Those mixers look intimidating, but are essentially obsolete. In the case of Bob K. and Vinnie, they were only props anyway. Plus, you could hire an engineer to assist. If you are willing to invest your own money, you could even start your own independent label. Of course I think it's never going to turn a profit, which is why I believe real numbers today are guarded like Ft. Knox. But if it's something you're passionate about, something along the lines of 10K Volts is within your reach musically and commercially. I'll pull for you all the way; just don't come on here thinking you're Bruce Fairbairn. I spoke about my brief adventure many years ago with music production here: thefreewheeler.proboards.com/post/260086The thing that you don't seem to get is that with any career in life - there are different tiers of talent and quality. They are all professional, but you also get what you pay for - be it plumbers, chefs, mechanics and yes, music producers. So Bob Kulick and Steve Brown would be among those lower tier producers, but will still do professional work for you. Or when Bob Kulick was alive. Just as in the 80's, there was the top level producers of Lange, Rock, Fairbairn and a handful of others, but there was also a bunch of B and C level producers as well working on hair metal albums for major labels. Howard Benson for example has gone on to bigger and better things, but I remember he was thought of as a hack and practically a bad sign if you saw that he was the producer on some hair metal album you just bought. Like Tuff and Pretty Boy Floyd. You can't have the mentality that if you are not as good as any A List producer, you have no right calling yourself a producer. I get that, but where do we draw the line between "world class producer" making "hit records" and a side hustle at best, but closer to reality, a hobby? Posters were ripping on Brown for lamenting a cover song on 10K Volts, since he gets no royalties. I could mow one yard and make more than such royalties would net him, and in about 30 minutes, as opposed to (at least) 30 hours. I know, it's all part of his rock and roll fantasy. But the game today is completely different. Go visit a recording forum. There are doctors, lawyers, businessmen, etc. doing production work well beyond Bob K., Brown, etc. But they at least acknowledge it's a hobby. Some do it as a side a hustle, but none have anywhere near the egos of Bob and Steve. And that's what's rubbed people the wrong way with both. Be proud of your work, but a little humility would go a long way. Especially when we can all see and hear their grandeur is completely delusional.I
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 15:01:06 GMT -5
I spoke about my brief adventure many years ago with music production here: thefreewheeler.proboards.com/post/260086The thing that you don't seem to get is that with any career in life - there are different tiers of talent and quality. They are all professional, but you also get what you pay for - be it plumbers, chefs, mechanics and yes, music producers. So Bob Kulick and Steve Brown would be among those lower tier producers, but will still do professional work for you. Or when Bob Kulick was alive. Just as in the 80's, there was the top level producers of Lange, Rock, Fairbairn and a handful of others, but there was also a bunch of B and C level producers as well working on hair metal albums for major labels. Howard Benson for example has gone on to bigger and better things, but I remember he was thought of as a hack and practically a bad sign if you saw that he was the producer on some hair metal album you just bought. Like Tuff and Pretty Boy Floyd. You can't have the mentality that if you are not as good as any A List producer, you have no right calling yourself a producer. I get that, but where do we draw the line between "world class producer" making "hit records" and a side hustle at best, but closer to reality, a hobby? Posters were ripping on Brown for lamenting a cover song on 10K Volts, since he gets no royalties. I could mow one yard and make more than such royalties would net him, and in about 30 minutes, as opposed to (at least) 30 hours. I know, it's all part of his rock and roll fantasy. But the game today is completely different. Go visit a recording forum. There are doctors, lawyers, businessmen, etc. doing production work well beyond Bob K., Brown, etc. But they at least acknowledge it's a hobby. Some do it as a side a hustle, but none have anywhere near the egos of Bob and Steve. And that's what's rubbed people the wrong way with both. Be proud of your work, but a little humility would go a long way. Especially when we can all see and hear their grandeur is completely delusional.I If legit record labels and name artists on some level are paying you to produce their album - you are a professional producer. That's really the bottom line here. If you are not really getting paid for your work or trying to build your resume locally, then it is more of a hobby/aspiring career.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 5, 2024 16:58:02 GMT -5
I get that, but where do we draw the line between "world class producer" making "hit records" and a side hustle at best, but closer to reality, a hobby? Posters were ripping on Brown for lamenting a cover song on 10K Volts, since he gets no royalties. I could mow one yard and make more than such royalties would net him, and in about 30 minutes, as opposed to (at least) 30 hours. I know, it's all part of his rock and roll fantasy. But the game today is completely different. Go visit a recording forum. There are doctors, lawyers, businessmen, etc. doing production work well beyond Bob K., Brown, etc. But they at least acknowledge it's a hobby. Some do it as a side a hustle, but none have anywhere near the egos of Bob and Steve. And that's what's rubbed people the wrong way with both. Be proud of your work, but a little humility would go a long way. Especially when we can all see and hear their grandeur is completely delusional.I If legit record labels and name artists on some level are paying you to produce their album - you are a professional producer. That's really the bottom line here. If you are not really getting paid for your work or trying to build your resume locally, then it is more of a hobby/aspiring career. But again, what's legit? Anyone with a grip of cash can be a record label. Let's call a spade a spade on this Ace record. It's not as if he had a handful of well-written songs this independent label heard and thought warranted signing him. They certainly didn't hear Ace live and decided they should sign him. And this record was never intended to do what a traditional record of yesteryear did - reach new audiences via hit singles, leading to album sales, radio play, etc. The reality - which has been confirmed upon release - is this record is aimed at the die hard Kiss fans who buy multiple copies of anything attached to the band. It's essentially no different than Kiss dolls, Kiss toilet paper, etc. You rip Kiss not holding auditions and hiring Tommy. Exactly what was the vetting process for hiring Brown? He went to high school with Lara, who's behind this whole thing. I've never liked braggarts. Paul looked ridiculous in Decline of Western Civilization, laying in bed with lingerie models bragging about how he made it. But at least he scaled the top of the mountain. That is why so many, even some who were initially on his side, have called out Brown. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to hear he is NOT Mutt Lange, and what he is "producing" isn't comparable in any way, shape, or form. If he had demonstrated even an iota of humility, no one would've said a word.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 17:46:01 GMT -5
If legit record labels and name artists on some level are paying you to produce their album - you are a professional producer. That's really the bottom line here. If you are not really getting paid for your work or trying to build your resume locally, then it is more of a hobby/aspiring career. But again, what's legit? Anyone with a grip of cash can be a record label. Let's call a spade a spade on this Ace record. It's not as if he had a handful of well-written songs this independent label heard and thought warranted signing him. They certainly didn't hear Ace live and decided they should sign him. And this record was never intended to do what a traditional record of yesteryear did - reach new audiences via hit singles, leading to album sales, radio play, etc. The reality - which has been confirmed upon release - is this record is aimed at the die hard Kiss fans who buy multiple copies of anything attached to the band. It's essentially no different than Kiss dolls, Kiss toilet paper, etc. You rip Kiss not holding auditions and hiring Tommy. Exactly what was the vetting process for hiring Brown? He went to high school with Lara, who's behind this whole thing. I've never liked braggarts. Paul looked ridiculous in Decline of Western Civilization, laying in bed with lingerie models bragging about how he made it. But at least he scaled the top of the mountain. That is why so many, even some who were initially on his side, have called out Brown. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to hear he is NOT Mutt Lange, and what he is "producing" isn't comparable in any way, shape, or form. If he had demonstrated even an iota of humility, no one would've said a word. Ace is signed to a legit record label. A multi-million dollar entertainment company. This isn't hole in the wall or some label out of someone's basement. Context matters. Steve Brown is a lower tier name in hard rock/hair metal. Apparently everyone knows Trixter, because it is the first thing they bring up when they hear Brown's name. He has also been the back up guy for Def Leppard for 10 years now and has been associated with other projects. Entirely respectable career for a lower level artist - he has been able to have a career in music since his first album until today. No need to drive an Uber/taxi or paint houses. If it wasn't Brown, it would have just been produced by Ace - so the label probably thought it was a good thing for Ace to have an outside ear and they were right. I don't really understand your point about sales. Who cares if it sells 1 copy or 1 million? You should know this more than anyone, since you make music hoping it will get some traction on social media, but you ultimately don't care and will continue to make music. Rock is dead as is physical media - so most will stream over buying a CD (you know that too - don't be disingenuous), but there is still a niche audience for classic rock bands/artists making new albums. This is why Frontiers for example releases seemingly 150 albums a year with 42 different supergroups. I guess it works for their business model. There is an audience. Ace has been with the same label for many years now and they will want more albums from him. In fact it was their idea for the cover albums - something Ace never wanted to do, but agreed to it. No, Ace won't be dropped after 10,000 Volts and we will be talking about the new Ace album in a couple of years. Brown never said he was Mutt Lange - I think that whole thing has been misunderstood. With my producing Whitesnake with the scenario I mentioned, I would have producers in my mind and things I would want to go for too and that I might mention in an interview as well. Who I got my inspiration from with the production, etc - that doesn't mean I actually I think I am on the same level of them now. If I said I was really going for what Bruce Fairbairn did on Pump, would you interpret that as I think I am now the new Bruce Fairbairn?
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 5, 2024 19:23:46 GMT -5
Again, no disagreement on any of that.
I just never got the sense Brown understood any of that. He toots his own horn as if it's 1987 and he just delivered Hysteria.
It's a niche record, for a niche market, done on a fraction of the budget of classic releases, which he was fortunate to be associated with, due to an old friend.
Has he said even one word acknowledging this?
He's completely on Fantasy Island, which is why multiple threads were started at Kissfaq.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 19:50:58 GMT -5
Again, no disagreement on any of that. I just never got the sense Brown understood any of that. He toots his own horn as if it's 1987 and he just delivered Hysteria. It's a niche record, for a niche market, done on a fraction of the budget of classic releases, which he was fortunate to be associated with, due to an old friend. Has he said even one word acknowledging this? He's completely on Fantasy Island, which is why multiple threads were started at Kissfaq. Again, the people at KISSFAQ have their biases and some people there are just plain stupid. It is probably somewhere in the middle - with Julian's view and yours. The fine line between enthusiasm and arrogance. I think it's fair to say by the way that even Mutt Lange couldn't deliver a Hysteria level album today if he produced Ace instead. You can only do so much for a band or artist that is more limited than others. Even if Dr. Luke and Max Martin - who you love, produced Ace. It would still be a typical Ace album with maybe some better hooks. It's not going to rock album of the year with Grammy wins.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 5, 2024 22:37:04 GMT -5
Again, no disagreement on any of that. I just never got the sense Brown understood any of that. He toots his own horn as if it's 1987 and he just delivered Hysteria. It's a niche record, for a niche market, done on a fraction of the budget of classic releases, which he was fortunate to be associated with, due to an old friend. Has he said even one word acknowledging this? He's completely on Fantasy Island, which is why multiple threads were started at Kissfaq. Again, the people at KISSFAQ have their biases and some people there are just plain stupid. It is probably somewhere in the middle - with Julian's view and yours. The fine line between enthusiasm and arrogance. I think it's fair to say by the way that even Mutt Lange couldn't deliver a Hysteria level album today if he produced Ace instead. You can only do so much for a band or artist that is more limited than others. Even if Dr. Luke and Max Martin - who you love, produced Ace. It would still be a typical Ace album with maybe some better hooks. It's not going to rock album of the year with Grammy wins. Saint made a good point about perception, that was along the lines of what I bring up with context. Without Brown's egomaniacal ramblings, most would have seen 10K Volts for what it is - a rock icon making a late stage album of essentially demo songs written by friends, gussied up on Pro Tools. Brown would've been applauded, as Trixter has gotten plenty of abuse over the years for leading to the demise of hair metal. It would've been a feel-good story and we'd all be pulling for them. But unfortunately, "Look boss - the plane! The plane!" Brown's delusions of grandeur, and him being seemingly oblivious to what we all know (and what you stated) about the state of rock, changed both the perception as well as the context. On the one hand, it shouldn't matter; but on the other hand, it does (and always has).
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 5, 2024 22:43:16 GMT -5
Again, the people at KISSFAQ have their biases and some people there are just plain stupid. It is probably somewhere in the middle - with Julian's view and yours. The fine line between enthusiasm and arrogance. I think it's fair to say by the way that even Mutt Lange couldn't deliver a Hysteria level album today if he produced Ace instead. You can only do so much for a band or artist that is more limited than others. Even if Dr. Luke and Max Martin - who you love, produced Ace. It would still be a typical Ace album with maybe some better hooks. It's not going to rock album of the year with Grammy wins. Saint made a good point about perception, that was along the lines of what I bring up with context. Without Brown's egomaniacal ramblings, most would have seen 10K Volts for what it is - a rock icon making a late stage album of essentially demo songs written by friends, gussied up on Pro Tools. Brown would've been applauded, as Trixter has gotten plenty of abuse over the years for leading to the demise of hair metal. It would've been a feel-good story and we'd all be pulling for them. But unfortunately, "Look boss - the plane! The plane!" Brown's delusions of grandeur, and him being seemingly oblivious to what we all know (and what you stated) about the state of rock, changed both the perception as well as the context. On the one hand, it shouldn't matter; but on the other hand, it does (and always has). If the album was actually the best Ace album since 78 as hyped, would you then be saying with his perceived arrogance - well I guess he showed us and delivered?
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 6, 2024 1:20:00 GMT -5
Saint made a good point about perception, that was along the lines of what I bring up with context. Without Brown's egomaniacal ramblings, most would have seen 10K Volts for what it is - a rock icon making a late stage album of essentially demo songs written by friends, gussied up on Pro Tools. Brown would've been applauded, as Trixter has gotten plenty of abuse over the years for leading to the demise of hair metal. It would've been a feel-good story and we'd all be pulling for them. But unfortunately, "Look boss - the plane! The plane!" Brown's delusions of grandeur, and him being seemingly oblivious to what we all know (and what you stated) about the state of rock, changed both the perception as well as the context. On the one hand, it shouldn't matter; but on the other hand, it does (and always has). If the album was actually the best Ace album since 78 as hyped, would you then be saying with his perceived arrogance - well I guess he showed us and delivered? Yes. It's like brazen athletes who predict they'll win the championship. If they actually do,I commend them. Even though it's not my style, if someone can walk the walk, I can tolerate their talking the talk. I'm also cool if it's done in a tongue-in-cheek manner; but Brown is dead serious about his self-worship.
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Post by Psychocreature on Mar 6, 2024 2:04:54 GMT -5
Good for Ace. That said, I have no plans to purchase. What if Ace promises to vote for Trump if you buy the album? No because it wouldnt matter much. He lives in a blue State where Biden is going to win anyway.
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Post by Hey Man on Mar 6, 2024 9:31:29 GMT -5
If the album was actually the best Ace album since 78 as hyped, would you then be saying with his perceived arrogance - well I guess he showed us and delivered? Yes. It's like brazen athletes who predict they'll win the championship. If they actually do,I commend them. Even though it's not my style, if someone can walk the walk, I can tolerate their talking the talk. I'm also cool if it's done in a tongue-in-cheek manner; but Brown is dead serious about his self-worship. Fair enough if you concede that arrogance is OK - though not preferred - if you back it up with greatness. On the flip side of that though - what if Cherry Medicine as is was the song of the year like many so called bad songs that just inexplicably become hits. So if Brown "won the championship" with what you perceive to be a very bad rewrite of Stacy's Mom, would you accept that Steve walked the walk and tolerate his talking the talk that he makes hit singles?
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Mar 6, 2024 15:05:07 GMT -5
Yes. It's like brazen athletes who predict they'll win the championship. If they actually do,I commend them. Even though it's not my style, if someone can walk the walk, I can tolerate their talking the talk. I'm also cool if it's done in a tongue-in-cheek manner; but Brown is dead serious about his self-worship. Fair enough if you concede that arrogance is OK - though not preferred - if you back it up with greatness. On the flip side of that though - what if Cherry Medicine as is was the song of the year like many so called bad songs that just inexplicably become hits. So if Brown "won the championship" with what you perceive to be a very bad rewrite of Stacy's Mom, would you accept that Steve walked the walk and tolerate his talking the talk that he makes hit singles? Obviously you can't call a guy a liar for claiming he makes hit records if he actually makes hit records. On the musical side, I would still would still disapprove of Brown's bluster. One very important thing that never gets discussed is how the shift in music consumption - from physical sales to streaming - has adversely affected the artistic level of pop songs. Just as there are women you'd sleep with and women you'd marry, there are songs people will click on, but wouldn't pay for; the whores, basically. With streaming, the whores win, and by a large margin. This is why pop songs of the 70's and 80's have more in common musically with Mozart than whatever is currently at the top of the charts. So conversely, if Brown produced a musically rich album (like the one he mentioned, Hysteria), I would sing his praises, even if no one bought it.
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