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Post by Hey Man on Oct 3, 2011 22:09:14 GMT -5
Like this is a fucking shock.
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Post by flexlufful on Oct 3, 2011 22:32:57 GMT -5
Woo-Hooo!
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 4, 2011 7:12:10 GMT -5
And porn is a BILLION dollar industry because only hethens watch it. This religion is just rife with hypocrisies. If more of that religion took 5 years off from bitching about Christ in Christmas, gays, abortion laws, trying to steal children from Haiti, etc...and turned its focus inward during that time, it would be a much different thing altogether. The problem isn't Christianity's bigger message, it's how they (as a whole) conduct themselves. That time spent looking inward would also mean a lot of self-consumption because I don't know a band more hellbent on hating factions of its own self than Christianity. They're like that person in the relationship who ONLY sits around and blames the other person, no matter how hideous they act. The only way that relationship gets better is with humility and a good clear mirror for you to truly look at yourself. You come out of that with a different perspective and only then does healing begin. Christianity is a steaming pile of fuck all...
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 10:13:42 GMT -5
Who cares? I mean I am not a christian, but they don't bother me like they do you guys on the left. Or maybe just the atheists or whatever. You guys preach peace and love and equal rights to everyone....oh yea except christians.....got it....
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 4, 2011 11:30:05 GMT -5
I don't mind most Christians I know, but many I know are indeed glaring hypocrites and looking to do things keep the sanctity of divor....er, marriage, out of the arms of gay people or do their best to strip away laws that protect a woman's right to choose how she deals with her body, her pregancy, etc. Most of that type of furvor comes from people with strong religious (which I'll refrain from calling moral, as I have morals too, but don't prescribe to any religion) beliefs. If you stripped away faith-based protestations and legislation, we wouldn't have half of these types of issues to be concerned with. That's not to say that every Christian is against such things or that no non-Christians are either, but these kinds of things are largely faith-based. So yeah, that kind of hypocritical shit rubs me wrong because it impacts my life, the people I know and love, the women in my life. I'm a bit surprised that more people aren't concerned or bothered quite honestly. In my estimation, we should be terribly worried about faith-specific legislation and what that means to everyone, not just those that think that Jesus Christ will give them a gold star and a big thumbs up.... ...because they legislated with the Bible. I don't have to have a vagina or be seeking a relationship with someone of the same sex to appreciate the gravity of these things. (See my commentary on drug testing the unemployed and the "that's their problem!" mentality).You're so blindly dismissive of why people feel the way they do. No wonder conservatives are so fucked up. Eh, who cares?? Maybe you should.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 4, 2011 11:37:31 GMT -5
Who cares? I mean I am not a christian, but they don't bother me like they do you guys on the left. Or maybe just the atheists or whatever. You guys preach peace and love and equal rights to everyone....oh yea except christians.....got it.... Christians affect quality of life for others that don't believe as they do, so that's where I have a huge problem with them. If they could just separate church and state, there wouldn't be the problem that exists today with the churchies. Just look at the morons running for nomination - they have all spewed their Christian ways, including laws they want to change or repeal supposedly because Jesus would want that.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 11:44:32 GMT -5
Who cares? I mean I am not a christian, but they don't bother me like they do you guys on the left. Or maybe just the atheists or whatever. You guys preach peace and love and equal rights to everyone....oh yea except christians.....got it.... Christians affect quality of life for others that don't believe as they do, so that's where I have a huge problem with them. If they could just separate church and state, there wouldn't be the problem that exists today with the churchies. Just look at the morons running for nomination - they have all spewed their Christian ways, including laws they want to change or repeal supposedly because Jesus would want that. So Atheists don't affect the quality of life for others?? I mean they don't even want people to say Merry Christmas for fuck's sake. How is this any different than Christians trying to shove their religion down our throats?? Why is it so bad that children recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school?? Why does it matter so much? Like I said, I am not a christian. I think the bible is fiction myself, but it doesn't bother me that people believe. Just like it doesn't bother me that people don't believe. You honestly think if we take religion out of everything all of our problems will be fixed??
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 4, 2011 11:50:12 GMT -5
Christians affect quality of life for others that don't believe as they do, so that's where I have a huge problem with them. If they could just separate church and state, there wouldn't be the problem that exists today with the churchies. Just look at the morons running for nomination - they have all spewed their Christian ways, including laws they want to change or repeal supposedly because Jesus would want that. So Atheists don't affect the quality of life for others?? I mean they don't even want people to say Merry Christmas for fuck's sake. How is this any different than Christians trying to shove their religion down our throats?? Why is it so bad that children recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school?? Why does it matter so much? Like I said, I am not a christian. I think the bible is fiction myself, but it doesn't bother me that people believe. Just like it doesn't bother me that people don't believe. You honestly think if we take religion out of everything all of our problems will be fixed?? Yes, because the problems caused by athiests is just so on par with the problems caused by Christians. I am not saying all our problems would be fixed, but it would be the best damn start to fixing the problems that America has ever had. Most other civilized countries have been moving away from religion and are progressive - but not the good ol' USA, which still wants to believe it's 1950.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 4, 2011 11:50:20 GMT -5
Exactly. It's not any belief that have a problem with...it's how they WIELD it. When you take it to Congress like Thor swinging his hammer, that's a problem. You should believe whatever you want, but why should others suffer the nature of your personal beliefs? Why does that need to SHAPE the lives of so many who don't believe. And it does do JUST that. Most anti-gay-marriage legislation and argument against legalizing gay marriage is based on what the Christian Bible says, about how marriage is defined. Well if I'm Christian and I believe that it's wrong, swell! I don't have to marry a man then. Whew!! As far as I can tell, no such legislation legalizing same-sex marriage would FORCE YOU to partake in it, just co-exist with it. Why is that so hard to do? Ya know at one time people thought it was dirty, immoral, disgusting to sit at a counter and break bread with a black man. How silly does that sound now? It was rooted in what was perceived to be inherent "rights" and "wrongs" on that topic too. Some even quoted the Bible then as well, finding script about the dark skinned man being akin to animals or some such shit I don't remember exactly, but that some Christians still wielded just the same. And that got changed too. And now no one thinks twice, unless you just really still want to kill or hurt black people. I suppose those we call bigots and racists still do, but that's not a group I aspire to be identified with. The same sex thing, for instance, is just another instance of intolerance based on religious ideology. It's one religion keeping other people down...even gays of their own faith. Ya know, lots of fundamental conservatives really hate secular music too. We all remember conservatives and liberals alike in the Congress seeking to put labels on music. Some really conservative faith-based types you know would love to get heavy metal and rap and all those other Godless things chucked to the curb alongside abortion, porn, and gay marriage amongst a laundry list of other things. Clearly they don't concern themselves too vocally with that aspect, but that's exactly the slope you go down when you say "eh, who cares??" Because if there's enough momentum and precedent for this kind of religious legislation, that kind of thing is down the road. And what sounds more Big Brother than the "no-govenerment" conservative body standing over you telling you who you can marry, who you can't....what you can and can't do with your body....what you can and can't listen to. Ironic, isn't it? Yeah, I don't want those things. I enjoy my liberties. They're not being squelched by having government oversee the oil industry so that they'll not poison the oceans or negligently kill their employees, they're being stomped on by religious people looking for a land o' laws that adhere to their Bible. I can't think of a worse form of government than that.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 11:55:41 GMT -5
So Atheists don't affect the quality of life for others?? I mean they don't even want people to say Merry Christmas for fuck's sake. How is this any different than Christians trying to shove their religion down our throats?? Why is it so bad that children recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school?? Why does it matter so much? Like I said, I am not a christian. I think the bible is fiction myself, but it doesn't bother me that people believe. Just like it doesn't bother me that people don't believe. You honestly think if we take religion out of everything all of our problems will be fixed?? Yes, because the problems caused by athiests is just so on par with the problems caused by Christians. I am not saying all our problems would be fixed, but it would be the best damn start to fixing the problems that America has ever had. Most other civilized countries have been moving away from religion and are progressive - but not the good ol' USA, which still wants to believe it's 1950. You're fucked in the head if you think America hasn't moved away from religion. Maybe not to the point outlawing religion like you seem to want, but America has moved far away from religion in recent years.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 4, 2011 12:06:43 GMT -5
Yes, because the problems caused by athiests is just so on par with the problems caused by Christians. I am not saying all our problems would be fixed, but it would be the best damn start to fixing the problems that America has ever had. Most other civilized countries have been moving away from religion and are progressive - but not the good ol' USA, which still wants to believe it's 1950. You're fucked in the head if you think America hasn't moved away from religion. Maybe not to the point outlawing religion like you seem to want, but America has moved far away from religion in recent years. Pretty much every single recent news article or political story has something to do with religion, especially since so many on the right are religious. Did praying away the gay work for you? How exactly has America moved away from religion? I certainly don't see America embracing science like other countries do. If America moved away from religion, gay marriage would be legal across the country.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 12:14:02 GMT -5
You're fucked in the head if you think America hasn't moved away from religion. Maybe not to the point outlawing religion like you seem to want, but America has moved far away from religion in recent years. Pretty much every single recent news article or political story has something to do with religion, especially since so many on the right are religious. Did praying away the gay work for you? How exactly has America moved away from religion? I certainly don't see America embracing science like other countries do. If America moved away from religion, gay marriage would be legal across the country. I don't pray so I don't know about praying away the gay. You act like gay marriage is the single biggest problem we are facing in this country today. Why does America have to embrace science just because that is what YOU believe? That's the problem with many liberals...they whine and moan about everybody's rights and whatever, at the same time they can't tolerate anyone who doesn't believe what they believe.....pitiful.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 4, 2011 12:26:05 GMT -5
Pretty much every single recent news article or political story has something to do with religion, especially since so many on the right are religious. Did praying away the gay work for you? How exactly has America moved away from religion? I certainly don't see America embracing science like other countries do. If America moved away from religion, gay marriage would be legal across the country. I don't pray so I don't know about praying away the gay. You act like gay marriage is the single biggest problem we are facing in this country today. Why does America have to embrace science just because that is what YOU believe? That's the problem with many liberals...they whine and moan about everybody's rights and whatever, at the same time they can't tolerate anyone who doesn't believe what they believe.....pitiful. Because science isn't some voodoo thing or magic. It's fucking science - you know, education and knowledge.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 12:31:58 GMT -5
I don't pray so I don't know about praying away the gay. You act like gay marriage is the single biggest problem we are facing in this country today. Why does America have to embrace science just because that is what YOU believe? That's the problem with many liberals...they whine and moan about everybody's rights and whatever, at the same time they can't tolerate anyone who doesn't believe what they believe.....pitiful. Because science isn't some voodoo thing or magic. It's fucking science - you know, education and knowledge. Ok, but some don't believe the same way.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 4, 2011 12:33:45 GMT -5
Because science isn't some voodoo thing or magic. It's fucking science - you know, education and knowledge. Ok, but some don't believe the same way. And they are morons.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 12:35:37 GMT -5
Ok, but some don't believe the same way. And they are morons. Thanks for proving my point. Like I said, liberals such as yourself have such open minds and believe that everyone can believe what they want right??....
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 4, 2011 12:43:27 GMT -5
Thanks for proving my point. Like I said, liberals such as yourself have such open minds and believe that everyone can believe what they want right??.... It has nothing to do being liberal or having an open mind. It's about being educated and having fucking knowledge. Science is very real as I am sure you know, so someone would have to be stupid to think that science is some cult or witch doctor thing. Why should I have an open mind for people who don't want to believe in facts?
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Post by RisingFarce on Oct 4, 2011 13:30:26 GMT -5
So Atheists don't affect the quality of life for others?? I mean they don't even want people to say Merry Christmas for fuck's sake. Where are you getting this stuff?
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 14:54:18 GMT -5
Well, like I said....it just doesn't bother me that much. To each his/her own. Because I disagree doesn't mean a thing.
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Post by RisingFarce on Oct 4, 2011 15:02:58 GMT -5
Well, like I said....it just doesn't bother me that much. You're fucked in the head Obviously.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 15:04:12 GMT -5
Where are you getting this stuff? It's the Christians proclaiming the end of the world because some people would rather say "Happy Holidays." No it's just atheists doing what they accuse the christians of doing...shoving their beliefs down their throats.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 15:04:58 GMT -5
Well, like I said....it just doesn't bother me that much. You're fucked in the head Obviously. Thanks for bringing something to the conversation.....you are awesome.
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Post by RisingFarce on Oct 4, 2011 15:06:35 GMT -5
Thanks for bring something to the conversation.....you are awesome. You're welcome. I like to point out when people are being hypocrites - like when they say "it doesn't bother me" after a little "you are fucked in the head" rant. It's funny. Do carry on.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 15:11:01 GMT -5
Thanks for bring something to the conversation.....you are awesome. You're welcome. I like to point out when people are being hypocrites - like when they say "it doesn't bother me" after a little "you are fucked in the head" rant. It's funny. Do carry on. Yea that really shows me being a hypocrite..... .....reading comprehension....it's good for the brain. You should look into it....
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Post by RisingFarce on Oct 4, 2011 15:13:05 GMT -5
You're welcome. I like to point out when people are being hypocrites - like when they say "it doesn't bother me" after a little "you are fucked in the head" rant. It's funny. Do carry on. Yea that really shows me being a hypocrite..... .....reading comprehension....it's good for the brain. You should look into it.... It does indeed show you being a hypocrite. Would you like me to explain in crayon for you? I'll write slowly so you can take it in.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 4, 2011 15:13:08 GMT -5
It's the Christians proclaiming the end of the world because some people would rather say "Happy Holidays." No it's just atheists doing what they accuse the christians of doing...shoving their beliefs down their throats. How are we shoving our beliefs down their throats? Separation of church and state is all we are asking for. You want to pray or say the Lord's Prayer - do it at church or your fucking house - don't have it forced into society like schools for example.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 15:23:52 GMT -5
No it's just atheists doing what they accuse the christians of doing...shoving their beliefs down their throats. How are we shoving our beliefs down their throats? Separation of church and state is all we are asking for. You want to pray or say the Lord's Prayer - do it at church or your fucking house - don't have it forced into society like schools for example. I understand where you are coming from, I just think you guys are making way too much out of it. Just my opinion. I don't think it's hurting society....again, just my opinion. I think there are so many more problems to be dealt with. Do you think it's ok for students to pray if they want by choice before class??
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 4, 2011 15:25:59 GMT -5
It's the Christians proclaiming the end of the world because some people would rather say "Happy Holidays." No it's just atheists doing what they accuse the christians of doing...shoving their beliefs down their throats. Really it's the businesses who CHOOSE to be smart and not isolate large groups of potential customers who precipitate the more generic "seasons greetings" slogan for their sales and subsequently piss of Christians. They then piss and moan that Christ is being stripped out of Wal-Mart Black Friday sales...ya know, where he belongs. Businesses are smart to do this or to greet you this way. Many patrons are Jewish, atheist, Pagan, Budhist, Muslim...and number of various and prevalent non-Christians, many of whom also celebrate religious holidays during this same time! Imagine if a Christian was greeted "Happy Chanukah!!" instead of even the generic "happy holidays." Or "Happy Yule". I'm guessing it wouldn't go over well. But businesses know that they're customers are not entirely Christian, even though it pisses off some Christians. Civicly you see them doing away with Christian-based displays...OR you see a more inclusive display that celebrates many religions, which I think is best yet. What's the harm in being more open-minded and less selfish? But certainly your town hall shouldn't be picking one over the other. Imagine as a Christian seeing ONLY a Chanukah display in front of the federal court house. They'd lose their collective nut and you know it. It's ok to choose one religion, so long as it's the "right one." Personally, even as a non-Christian, I've never minded "Merry Christmas." I refer to it as such, I call it a Christmas tree, I send out Christmas cards, and greet people in kind. Additionally I'm also not offended to be met with Happy Chanukah or Seasons Greetings. If someone, anyone, is going out of their way to be warm and greet me in a kind way, I'm going to be gracious and return the gesture in kind. I think that's nice and my mother taught me some degree of manners. What I don't get is why -- commercially speaking -- there's such an annual furvor over the way stores greet you. I see stories every year on the news, I read it in the papers, and even national "big wigs" like O'Reilly and the like have done pieces on their shows about it, so it's not just the Piggly Wiggly in Toad Suck, Arkansas. I'm not sure what your religion has to do with peddling wares at Target and why the acknowledgment of Jesus is so important in a retail setting. Those people are out to sell you tons of shit you probably can't afford and not to validate your religion for you. It's the last place I'd look for Jesus, to be honest with you....the mall. If you want to make Jesus the forefront of your holiday, go to fucking church and get out of Best Buy. That's YOUR responsibility, not theirs. Go celebrate the birth of your God, but don't do it in the iPod aisle. I don't care and neither do they.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 4, 2011 15:36:38 GMT -5
How are we shoving our beliefs down their throats? Separation of church and state is all we are asking for. You want to pray or say the Lord's Prayer - do it at church or your fucking house - don't have it forced into society like schools for example. I understand where you are coming from, I just think you guys are making way too much out of it. Just my opinion. I don't think it's hurting society....again, just my opinion. I think there are so many more problems to be dealt with. Do you think it's ok for students to pray if they want by choice before class?? If two students out of 40 want to stand up and say the Lords Prayer - that's fine. It's the forcing of the other 38 kids that I have a problem with.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 4, 2011 15:39:49 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from, I just think you guys are making way too much out of it. Just my opinion. I don't think it's hurting society....again, just my opinion. I think there are so many more problems to be dealt with. Do you think it's ok for students to pray if they want by choice before class?? If two students out of 40 want to stand up and say the Lords Prayer - that's fine. It's the forcing of the other 38 kids that I have a problem with. They aren't forced anymore. And I don't think they should be. Do you think it's o.k. for a student to read a bible at school on his/her own time??
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