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Post by Hey Man on Oct 12, 2011 20:56:52 GMT -5
Are there movies that one absolutely loves, but the other can't fucking stand. Same goes for actors and directors.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 12, 2011 20:58:37 GMT -5
Yes. That's pretty understandable though, no?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 21:00:51 GMT -5
Yep, he puts on Rocky and I fall asleep. I put on anything with Keanu Reeves in it or remotely Disney and he runs to the other room!
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 12, 2011 21:02:12 GMT -5
Plus we're nearly 7 years apart in age, so we had slightly pop cultural experiences....or the same ones at different times in our lives.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 12, 2011 21:04:10 GMT -5
Yep, he puts on Rocky and I fall asleep. I put on anything with Keanu Reeves in it or remotely Disney and he runs to the other room! Oh I might have to smite you Isis - Rocky is just not an acceptable answer. |
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 12, 2011 21:04:41 GMT -5
For instance, she loves Heathers and Valley Girl and those movies don't do anything for me. I'll stop on Night Hawks with Stallone and Rutger Hauer and it's not something she's interested in.
I think we largely like a lot of the same directors though...for the most part.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 12, 2011 21:06:56 GMT -5
Yep, he puts on Rocky and I fall asleep. I put on anything with Keanu Reeves in it or remotely Disney and he runs to the other room! Oh I might have to smite you Isis - Rocky is just not an acceptable answer. That might also be part generational, part gender (don't know a shitload of female boxing fans), part not liking Stallone, and just not thinking it's a very good movie. But I saw that film as a young boxing fan when it was released...and it stirs up something inside of me. We really do have much, much more in common than not, but it's not too surprising we still have quite a few differences too. That's any couple. |
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 12, 2011 21:19:05 GMT -5
Oh I might have to smite you Isis - Rocky is just not an acceptable answer. That might also be part generational, part gender (don't know a shitload of female boxing fans), part not liking Stallone, and just not thinking it's a very good movie. But I saw that film as a young boxing fan when it was released...and it stirs up something inside of me. We really do have much, much more in common than not, but it's not too surprising we still have quite a few differences too. That's any couple. Of course, I was just curious to hear examples. My wife loves Harry Potter, Lord Of The Rings and pretty much anything wizards or knights or dragons or whatever the fuck. While I don't mind the genre, those particular films bore me to tears. She never saw Rocky before meeting me and I showed them to her and she loved them. Not so much for the boxing aspect, but the Rocky/Adrian factor. |
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 12, 2011 21:21:39 GMT -5
Well we've had some success in introducing each other to films as well. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Most times we have a good time discovering films neither of us had seen before. That's always fun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 7:05:21 GMT -5
Yep, he puts on Rocky and I fall asleep. I put on anything with Keanu Reeves in it or remotely Disney and he runs to the other room! Oh I might have to smite you Isis - Rocky is just not an acceptable answer. Sorry, I just don't enjoy it. Don't hate me!  |
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 13, 2011 7:12:04 GMT -5
Ya know, not every movie is for every one. I'm told of the brilliance of Citizen Kane and yet I can't get through it without suffering fits of boredom. Does that mean I'm correct? No, it's just not my thing is all. I fully admit there's likely something there that's just not clicking with me, but that's ok too. We all have our biases, tastes, etc. I can go on about the unappreciated qualities of The Exorcist III but can't get through "the greatest movie of all time." LOL!
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 13, 2011 7:15:36 GMT -5
Oh I might have to smite you Isis - Rocky is just not an acceptable answer. Sorry, I just don't enjoy it. Don't hate me! Is it Rocky or just Stallone in general? |
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 13, 2011 7:17:57 GMT -5
Ya know, not every movie is for every one. I'm told of the brilliance of Citizen Kane and yet I can't get through it without suffering fits of boredom. Does that mean I'm correct? No, it's just not my thing is all. I fully admit there's likely something there that's just not clicking with me, but that's ok too. We all have our biases, tastes, etc. I can go on about the unappreciated qualities of The Exorcist III but can't get through "the greatest movie of all time." LOL! But you are correct. It's overrated pablum. |
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 13, 2011 7:21:18 GMT -5
(ducks)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 8:02:51 GMT -5
Sorry, I just don't enjoy it. Don't hate me! Is it Rocky or just Stallone in general? It's a bit of both. I've never really liked Stallone so my expectations weren't very high when I saw Rocky. I'm not saying that I hated it, it just didn't do anything for me. |
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 13, 2011 8:06:28 GMT -5
Is it Rocky or just Stallone in general? It's a bit of both. I've never really liked Stallone so my expectations weren't very high when I saw Rocky. I'm not saying that I hated it, it just didn't do anything for me. You didn't think the Rocky and Adrian portion was at least sweet? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 8:49:56 GMT -5
It's a bit of both. I've never really liked Stallone so my expectations weren't very high when I saw Rocky. I'm not saying that I hated it, it just didn't do anything for me. You didn't think the Rocky and Adrian portion was at least sweet? Honestly? I kinda thought Adrian was a total wimp. In the story she basically goes from being a punching bag and maid for her brother to a cheerleader for Rocky. She should have told everyone around her to suck a bag of dicks. |
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 13, 2011 9:09:42 GMT -5
Fuck you all, Citizen Kane is a fucking masterpiece! That being said, my wife and I have almost completely different tastes in films, like most Americans if there's subtitles it's a no go. Whole world of cinema just completely gone. I mean, one of her favorite movies is Grease 2 for fuck's sake. Shitty taste in movies, shitty taste in music, what'd I marry her for again? Does she have more in common with Blackwell musically speaking? |
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 13, 2011 9:38:31 GMT -5
You didn't think the Rocky and Adrian portion was at least sweet? Honestly? I kinda thought Adrian was a total wimp. In the story she basically goes from being a punching bag and maid for her brother to a cheerleader for Rocky. She should have told everyone around her to suck a bag of dicks. She pretty much does over the subsequent films. Her character grows. You've not seen those, however. And her character matured some over the course of Rocky. She DID tell her brother to go fuck himself after all, so not a complete wimp. She'd have not done that when you first meet her in the film. Beyond that she went from a bit of an introvert to someone who started to care more about her confidence level, her looks, etc. Can think of far wimpier female leads in films, quite honestly... |
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 13, 2011 9:49:14 GMT -5
Additionally you can make the argument that Rocky is a weak man: he's slow, dim-witted, subject to manipulation by (his boss, the loan-shark, Mickey, his future brother-in-law, his girfriend, etc), he's pretty much valuing the love of a girl over his opportunity at success...much like Adrian is putting so much value in the presence of someone to love in her life. It SOUNDS sort of pathetic, but that's the way these characters are...pretty much losers who are getting older and looking for something or someone in their lonely lives to give them a spark of life and happiness. It's easy to describe them as "weak" perhaps...but then again that could apply to anyone with simple goals looking for simple things in their lives that they don't have. Not every woman can be an ass-kicker, which, to be honest, becomes its own charicature after a while. They both have a lot of the same fucked up, manipulated qualities...and they're drawn to each other a bit because of that. They find strength in one another, which...again...may seem wimpy, but it's more than either had when the show started.
I mean, feel how you feel about it...but that's how I see Rocky and Adrian. I could certainly feel less about them than I do. I have identified with their simple expectations at this point in their lonely lives, none of which involves riches, fame, power, etc...just the love of a good person in a world where that's hard to find.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 13, 2011 9:59:29 GMT -5
I never knew Isis was so cold.  Most people say they love the ice skating scene and that it's sweet. It's a real love story. But I bet she loves Pretty Woman. |
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 13, 2011 10:09:23 GMT -5
Does she have more in common with Blackwell musically speaking? Well, no, even she knows today's pop is crap. Loved Madonna so no need for the second rate version of Lady Gaga. Favorite band is Concrete Blonde, so we do have some common ground. Loves 80s pop and more of the alternative stuff, we have shared love of bands like The Cure, Depeche Mode, Bauhaus, Dead Can Dance, that sorta thing, and she's a big Queen fan, but she loathes stuff like The Dead and prog rock (I've only met one chick that loves prog that wasn't homely as all fuck, LOL) Does she swoon when she hears Beth or Forever? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 10:16:24 GMT -5
Well to be fair, both to the movie AND to me, you also have to take into account MY emotional state when I watched Rocky, which was about a year or so after getting out of a very ugly first marriage in which I'd been his emotional punching bag and I was at that stage in the healing process where I was just pissed off at myself for letting him treat me that way, and wishing I'd stood up for myself a lot sooner. So in that frame of reference, the story read differently to me than it does to most people. She felt really one dimensional to me and it mirrored an unhappy wound that at the time was still pretty fresh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 10:20:30 GMT -5
I never knew Isis was so cold. Most people say they love the ice skating scene and that it's sweet. It's a real love story. But I bet she loves Pretty Woman. I loved Pretty Woman when I was 14. I watched it on tv recently after not having seen it in years. I don't think its aged well. I love Pretty In Pink tho, and Sixteen Candles, Say Anything, Some Kind Of Wonderful, Benny and Joon, Reality Bites, ect. ect. ect. |
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 13, 2011 10:54:11 GMT -5
John Hughes era films rock. I don't know that I'd like them quite so much if I hadn't grown up on them though. That's hard to say. Not sure what the current generation think of them.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 13, 2011 10:59:56 GMT -5
It's difficult to separate yourself from these things sometimes, like Isis said. Now that was her experience, but to me it doesn't so much accurately describe the characters or the movie as it does so much her reflection of it during that time in her life. We all bring these things into viewings, though. Sometimes you just are convinced you're not going to enjoy something too...and watch a film looking for things not to like. I've done so. Occasionally your expectations are low and your mood is good and you end up enjoying the experience instead. Had that happen too.
We had this discussion last night and it's a bit of a tangent (sorry)...but it's the reason why some actors/musicians, etc. often value a lesser liked (by fans) movie/album. For instance, Rush had a GREAT time (smooth sailing) recording Roll The Bones. They enjoyed the writing, the way it all went down, etc....but I don't think that's so much a reflection of the quality of the album from my persepctive. But the band's memory of things is really strong and that reflects on their impression of the record as well as the process of making it. On the contrary, I love their Grace Under Pressure record, but they had such a SHITTY time making that thing that it really left them (Geddy, especially) with a sour taste and as a result, they don't so much care for it because it brings up such bad feelings. Maybe that has very little to do with the actual music or songwriting. It can be other peripheral things that enhance or ruin an experience.
So yeah, your state of mind when you see (make/create, etc) things can really shape your ultimate impression of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 12:23:02 GMT -5
True, but also sometimes you just don't see anything special in something even when everyone else does.
Now, was the fact that I thought Adrian a wimp the reason that I didn't care for the movie? No, but someone asked if I enjoyed the film on that romantic level and I answered it with the reason why that particular part of the film didn't speak to me. I also said that I didn't hate the film I just didn't find anything special about it. I'm entitled to that without the assumption that I didn't like it because I was set against it. I went into it with an open mind, I just didn't connect.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 13, 2011 15:13:58 GMT -5
I wasn't implying that YOU (in this case) didn't like it because you was set against it...but that CAN be a reason someone (in general) dislikes something. That's why I pointed out the Rush example. Geddy's experience shouldn't have an impact on whether or not he thinks "x" is a good song, but his experience was soured based on a number of other things and therefore he can't entirely remove that perspective from his opinion. I'm sure you just didn't like it because you didn't like it...and that's cool if that's how you feel.
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