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Post by Hey Man on Jan 28, 2012 16:07:14 GMT -5
I think with the clips we have been hearing so far from the new Van Halen album, most people are blown away and are calling the stuff great.
Now despite KISS having a new album coming out as well, do you think Sonic Boom in hindsight will be looked at as a very weak album in comparison's to Van Halen's when it comes to songs, production and the whole package from a classic band coming out with a new album.
In other words, if A Different Kind Of Truth came out before Sonic Boom and KISS had a whole year to make it, do you think they probably would have tried much harder to release something competitive to Van Halen. I certainly do.
Now Monster could certainly be great and blow away SB - but considering that ADKOT and Sonic Boom are the first comeback albums from these bands, they will be compared by people.
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Post by Ack on Jan 28, 2012 16:24:36 GMT -5
I will say, the samples of ADKOT got me more excited than SB ever got me.
The new rumor is that Monster is being pushed back until the Fall. Supposedly, it's because thhey want to tie it in with the Kruise, Halloween and the joint tour with the Crue. But part of me wonders if it's because they don't want to go up against VH. The buzz is insane for the VH album and I wonder if they feel they will have a hard time competing with it. Which is 100% speculation on my part admittedly.
But on the other hand no matter when KISS releases Monster, I think the sales will pretty much be the same. KISS has a finite, built in audience for new material and that's pretty much it. I think ADKOT will outsell Monster by a long shot.
But as for ADKOT vs. SB, yeah I think ADKOT is far superior as a "comeback" album. The reaction to the songs is what I wish I had for SB. I like SB, but it doesn't make me go "Holy shit!"I the way the stuff I've heard from VH does.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 28, 2012 16:31:36 GMT -5
I will say, the samples of ADKOT got me more excited than SB ever got me. The new rumor is that Monster is being pushed back until the Fall. Supposedly, it's because thhey want to tie it in with the Kruise, Halloween and the joint tour with the Crue. But part of me wonders if it's because they don't want to go up against VH. The buzz is insane for the VH album and I wonder if they feel they will have a hard time competing with it. Which is 100%bullshit speculation on my part admittedly. But on the other hand no matter when KISS releases Monster, I think the sales will pretty much be the same. KISS has a finite, built in audience for new material and that's pretty much it. I think ADKOT will outsell Monster by a long shot. But as for ADKOT vs. SB, yeah I think ADKOT is far superior as a "comeback" album. The reaction to the songs is what I wish I had for SB. I like SB, but it doesn't make me go "Holy shit!"I the way the stuff I've heard from VH does. Or maybe it's being held back because they want to redo some stuff on Monster or have the opportunity to further tweak. I am quite sure that KISS is very aware of what Van Halen is doing and don't want to release an album until they truly feel it's the absolute best they could do. With Sonic Boom, KISS didn't care - they thought hey let's write and record the way we used to when were 25 years old and release that. Now there is pressure from other artists and they know that another album like Sonic Boom just isn't gonna cut it. In fact, I bet they would have gotten Ezrin to produce Monster if they were just starting the writing process for the album now.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 28, 2012 16:32:20 GMT -5
None of the VH vs. KISS things really matter to me. I will enjoy the new VH, as I enjoy SB and Monster and the new Our Lady Peace, Shinedown, Black Sabbath and many other releases I am looking forward to this year.
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Post by Spirit on Jan 28, 2012 17:09:21 GMT -5
There is no love of music in new Kiss. They don't care. Make some "character" songs so you can have a new excuse to tour. That's all.
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Post by lugnut on Jan 28, 2012 17:27:57 GMT -5
I just wonder if all the Monster delays are actually due to KISS having trouble finding distribution instead of fixing the album. If there's no Wal-Mart deal this time they'll probably have to shop for a label...and in this day and age, there's probably not a whole lot of "name" labels clamoring to sign up KISS.
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Post by Spirit on Jan 28, 2012 17:33:39 GMT -5
I just wonder if all the Monster delays are actually due to KISS having trouble finding distribution instead of fixing the album. If there's no Wal-Mart deal this time they'll probably have to shop for a label...and in this day and age, there's probably not a whole lot of "name" labels clamoring to sign up KISS. Especially considering that by Wal Mart standards, SB was less than a big seller. If they go indy with it, look for 150,000 units maximum.
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Post by flexlufful on Jan 28, 2012 18:00:48 GMT -5
The new VH album will be a landslide better than Sonic Boom.
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Post by Ford GT on Jan 28, 2012 18:04:24 GMT -5
I think Irving Azoff has a lot to do with all the Van Halen hype. Kiss really needs someone like him in order to make a significant impact with Monster.
Going back to the question Kiss probably would have tried harder had Van Halen's album come out first.
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Post by allyourlies on Jan 28, 2012 18:49:10 GMT -5
sonic boom
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Post by B5Erik on Jan 28, 2012 18:56:49 GMT -5
You all realize how ridiculous it is to compare SB to an album where you've only heard the first 30 seconds of most of the songs, right?
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 28, 2012 18:58:19 GMT -5
You all realize how ridiculous it is to compare SB to an album where you've only heard the first 30 seconds of most of the songs, right? Absolutely not. The 30 second clips are better than full songs on Sonic Boom. You know as well as I do that this album is going to bury Sonic Boom.
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Post by flexlufful on Jan 28, 2012 18:58:37 GMT -5
You all realize how ridiculous it is to compare SB to an album where you've only heard the first 30 seconds of most of the songs, right? It's VERY easy to tell. Besides, there are full versions out there already of Blood and Fire and The Trouble With Never. It's much better than Sonic Boom.
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Post by Ack on Jan 28, 2012 19:14:37 GMT -5
You all realize how ridiculous it is to compare SB to an album where you've only heard the first 30 seconds of most of the songs, right? My point was the mere samples intrigued me a hundred times more than SB did. And the full songs I've already heard, for me, already trump anything on SB. There are only three tunes on SB I feel are really good. This album already has met and exceeded that number. It bodes well. I enjoy SB for what it is. Not a bad record, but not particularly great either, IMO. I already like what I've heard from ADKOT better than anything on SB.
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Post by Ack on Jan 28, 2012 19:17:11 GMT -5
None of the VH vs. KISS things really matter to me. I will enjoy the new VH, as I enjoy SB and Monster and the new Our Lady Peace, Shinedown, Black Sabbath and many other releases I am looking forward to this year. Me too. It's not a competition at all. I enjoy every album for what it is. But clearly there are going to be favorites.
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Post by B5Erik on Jan 28, 2012 19:23:11 GMT -5
You all realize how ridiculous it is to compare SB to an album where you've only heard the first 30 seconds of most of the songs, right? It's VERY easy to tell. Besides, there are full versions out there already of Blood and Fire and The Trouble With Never. It's much better than Sonic Boom. Absurd. I like what I've heard from the VH album, but none of the samples make it to the chorus. Some barely even get to the first verse. You cannot compare songs when you don't even know if they've got a decent vocal melody or not.
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Post by Ack on Jan 28, 2012 19:39:40 GMT -5
It's VERY easy to tell. Besides, there are full versions out there already of Blood and Fire and The Trouble With Never. It's much better than Sonic Boom. Absurd. I like what I've heard from the VH album, but none of the samples make it to the chorus. Some barely even get to the first verse. You cannot compare songs when you don't even know if they've got a decent vocal melody or not. People aren't going just by the 30 second samples though. There are 4 full songs out there plus samples of others that are a minute and a half or so long. Plenty of vocal melody to be had.
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Post by flexlufful on Jan 28, 2012 19:39:45 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right. It IS absurd.
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Post by Spirit on Jan 28, 2012 19:54:04 GMT -5
You all realize how ridiculous it is to compare SB to an album where you've only heard the first 30 seconds of most of the songs, right? It's VERY easy to tell. Besides, there are full versions out there already of Blood and Fire and The Trouble With Never. It's much better than Sonic Boom. Buries it. Erik will like it better once he remasters it.
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Post by flexlufful on Jan 28, 2012 20:04:58 GMT -5
I can't wait...
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 28, 2012 20:13:14 GMT -5
It's VERY easy to tell. Besides, there are full versions out there already of Blood and Fire and The Trouble With Never. It's much better than Sonic Boom. Absurd. I like what I've heard from the VH album, but none of the samples make it to the chorus. Some barely even get to the first verse. You cannot compare songs when you don't even know if they've got a decent vocal melody or not. There are longer samples than just the 30 second ones. In addition, it just sounds better and much more professional than Sonic Boom, which quite frankly sounds pretty bad - but what can you expect when Paul Stanley all of a sudden thinks he is a producer. Considering all that Van Halen have going for them with this new release, they are just at a higher level than KISS in every capacity right now. No major record label would touch KISS at this point and while they have Doc, he is nothing compared to Irving Azoff. Van Halen is top tier here - KISS is not. Now certainly people may PREFER KISS to VH, but it doesn't negate the fact that Van Halen is the real deal and KISS won't be able to live up to what the Interscope, Azoff and the marketing team behind VH have planned.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 28, 2012 21:23:33 GMT -5
Absurd. I like what I've heard from the VH album, but none of the samples make it to the chorus. Some barely even get to the first verse. You cannot compare songs when you don't even know if they've got a decent vocal melody or not. There are longer samples than just the 30 second ones. In addition, it just sounds better and much more professional than Sonic Boom, which quite frankly sounds pretty bad - but what can you expect when Paul Stanley all of a sudden thinks he is a producer. Considering all that Van Halen have going for them with this new release, they are just at a higher level than KISS in every capacity right now. No major record label would touch KISS at this point and while they have Doc, he is nothing compared to Irving Azoff. Van Halen is top tier here - KISS is not. Now certainly people may PREFER KISS to VH, but it doesn't negate the fact that Van Halen is the real deal and KISS won't be able to live up to what the Interscope, Azoff and the marketing team behind VH have planned. And who cares more....some KISS sheep....or just some guys on a message board that don't care for KISS any longer??? It is quite hard to tell these days.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 28, 2012 21:31:54 GMT -5
There are longer samples than just the 30 second ones. In addition, it just sounds better and much more professional than Sonic Boom, which quite frankly sounds pretty bad - but what can you expect when Paul Stanley all of a sudden thinks he is a producer. Considering all that Van Halen have going for them with this new release, they are just at a higher level than KISS in every capacity right now. No major record label would touch KISS at this point and while they have Doc, he is nothing compared to Irving Azoff. Van Halen is top tier here - KISS is not. Now certainly people may PREFER KISS to VH, but it doesn't negate the fact that Van Halen is the real deal and KISS won't be able to live up to what the Interscope, Azoff and the marketing team behind VH have planned. And who cares more....some KISS sheep....or just some guys on a message board that don't care for KISS any longer??? It is quite hard to tell these days. I care about KISS and I am looking forward to Monster, but see I live in the real world and in my industry - Van Halen is considered a major release, where as KISS would be considered more of an independent or limited release in movie talk. There is no way that Gene and Paul are gonna fork out the kind of money or hire marketing firms to compete with the buzz around Van Halen. That's just the way it is.
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Post by flexlufful on Jan 28, 2012 21:36:32 GMT -5
I always hope that KISS puts out a good effort. Always. Sonic Boom was a good effort. It just could have been better.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 28, 2012 21:42:49 GMT -5
And who cares more....some KISS sheep....or just some guys on a message board that don't care for KISS any longer??? It is quite hard to tell these days. I care about KISS and I am looking forward to Monster, but see I live in the real world and in my industry - Van Halen is considered a major release, where as KISS would be considered more of an independent or limited release in movie talk. There is no way that Gene and Paul are gonna fork out the kind of money or hire marketing firms to compete with the buzz around Van Halen. That's just the way it is. Well seeing as how VH has always outsold KISS, I don't see why its such a big deal now. Good thing AC/DC isn't releasing one too, or VH would be outsold also.....in the end, who cares?? I am happy we are getting new music from both VH and KISS. I really don't care who sells what as long as I get mine.
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Post by Spirit on Jan 28, 2012 22:01:12 GMT -5
I care about KISS and I am looking forward to Monster, but see I live in the real world and in my industry - Van Halen is considered a major release, where as KISS would be considered more of an independent or limited release in movie talk. There is no way that Gene and Paul are gonna fork out the kind of money or hire marketing firms to compete with the buzz around Van Halen. That's just the way it is. Well seeing as how VH has always outsold KISS, I don't see why its such a big deal now. Good thing AC/DC isn't releasing one too, or VH would be outsold also.....in the end, who cares?? I am happy we are getting new music from both VH and KISS. I really don't care who sells what as long as I get mine. So how VH sold 30 years ago is how they will sell now? Tears For Fears needs a new album out. Lets face it, VH can still make some classic VH, Kiss is too far gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 22:08:14 GMT -5
They may be compared by some people. Me? No. Still enjoy Sonic Boom and am enjoying what I've heard so far of teh new VH album.
IS the VH album a bigger deal in the music industry and the general publics eye than Sonic Boom was or Monster will be? Absolutely. Does that matter to me? No.
Sales of the VH album will shit all over the sales of Sonic Boom and Monster combined. Again, that doesn't matter a whole much to me. Both bands are bringing me enjoyment. THAT'S what matters.
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Post by Anomacunt the Excellent on Jan 28, 2012 22:17:50 GMT -5
Well seeing as how VH has always outsold KISS, I don't see why its such a big deal now. Good thing AC/DC isn't releasing one too, or VH would be outsold also.....in the end, who cares?? I am happy we are getting new music from both VH and KISS. I really don't care who sells what as long as I get mine. So how VH sold 30 years ago is how they will sell now? Tears For Fears needs a new album out. Lets face it, VH can still make some classic VH, Kiss is too far gone. ADKOT is projected to sell 225k the first week...then again that was a couple weeks ago.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 28, 2012 22:29:15 GMT -5
So how VH sold 30 years ago is how they will sell now? Tears For Fears needs a new album out. Lets face it, VH can still make some classic VH, Kiss is too far gone. ADKOT is projected to sell 225k the first week...then again that was a couple weeks ago. SB was projected to sell 160k the first week, but ended up doing 109k. It will be interesting to see how it does with the way the industry is now.
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Post by copronymos on Jan 28, 2012 22:39:52 GMT -5
Kiss will do fine in comparison.
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