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Post by flexlufful on Jan 28, 2012 22:42:44 GMT -5
KISS have always done fine. They are legends even without consistent radio airplay.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 28, 2012 23:02:47 GMT -5
Kiss will do fine in comparison. KISS could be doing more than fine if they actually made the effort musically speaking, spent some money on marketing and go into business with companies that would benefit the band. KISS does EVERYTHING on the cheap and half-assed - from writing and producing music to marketing the band.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 28, 2012 23:40:51 GMT -5
Kiss will do fine in comparison. KISS could be doing more than fine if they actually made the effort musically speaking, spent some money on marketing and go into business with companies that would benefit the band. KISS does EVERYTHING on the cheap and half-assed - from writing and producing music to marketing the band. They are making plenty of money. They have many diehard fans after 40 years in the business. Life is good for KISS.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 23:42:37 GMT -5
Kiss will do fine in comparison. KISS could be doing more than fine if they actually made the effort musically speaking, spent some money on marketing and go into business with companies that would benefit the band. KISS does EVERYTHING on the cheap and half-assed - from writing and producing music to marketing the band. Made the effort musically?? How do any of us know that what they're doing now is any different to what they've always done? We shouldn't confuse our own dislike of somehting they've done to them not putting in the effort.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 28, 2012 23:45:30 GMT -5
KISS could be doing more than fine if they actually made the effort musically speaking, spent some money on marketing and go into business with companies that would benefit the band. KISS does EVERYTHING on the cheap and half-assed - from writing and producing music to marketing the band. Made the effort musically?? How do any of us know that what they're doing now is any different to what they've always done? We shouldn't confuse our own dislike of somehting they've done to them not putting in the effort. Good point.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 0:00:04 GMT -5
KISS could be doing more than fine if they actually made the effort musically speaking, spent some money on marketing and go into business with companies that would benefit the band. KISS does EVERYTHING on the cheap and half-assed - from writing and producing music to marketing the band. Made the effort musically?? How do any of us know that what they're doing now is any different to what they've always done? We shouldn't confuse our own dislike of somehting they've done to them not putting in the effort. Well I haven't heard Monster, so I can't comment on that - but Sonic Boom is lazy, unprofessional sounding and it screams we did this on the cheap and as fast as we could. You cannot tell me that they busted their ass on Sonic Boom. They saw a way to make some money through Wal-Mart and slapped an album together with little effort. Regardless of the material, I will concede that they have made more of an effort with Monster over Sonic Boom, as they have taken much longer with songwriting and the recording process.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 29, 2012 0:07:29 GMT -5
Made the effort musically?? How do any of us know that what they're doing now is any different to what they've always done? We shouldn't confuse our own dislike of somehting they've done to them not putting in the effort. Well I haven't heard Monster, so I can't comment on that - but Sonic Boom is lazy, unprofessional sounding and it screams we did this on the cheap and as fast as we could. You cannot tell me that they busted their ass on Sonic Boom. They saw a way to make some money through Wal-Mart and slapped an album together as fast as they could. Nonsense. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean shit. It sounds just fine to me, you just don't like KISS anymore....which is fine, but you have no clue that SB was lazy and slapped together or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 0:13:44 GMT -5
Made the effort musically?? How do any of us know that what they're doing now is any different to what they've always done? We shouldn't confuse our own dislike of somehting they've done to them not putting in the effort. Well I haven't heard Monster, so I can't comment on that - but Sonic Boom is lazy, unprofessional sounding and it screams we did this on the cheap and as fast as we could. You cannot tell me that they busted their ass on Sonic Boom. I have no idea. And neither do you. You not liking the end product doesn't make their effort lazy or unprofessional. If I recall from all the books I've read, they spent more time on Sonic Boom than they did on some of the early albums. Personally, I'm happy with Sonic Boom. I like the songs and the sound of the album. They could have done more marketing wise, but I don't know if that would have changed much in the end. Again, you don't know that. Truthfully, none of know that, either. We have no clue if they've physically spent more time on this album than they did the last one.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 0:19:25 GMT -5
Well I haven't heard Monster, so I can't comment on that - but Sonic Boom is lazy, unprofessional sounding and it screams we did this on the cheap and as fast as we could. You cannot tell me that they busted their ass on Sonic Boom. They saw a way to make some money through Wal-Mart and slapped an album together as fast as they could. Nonsense. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean shit. It sounds just fine to me, you just don't like KISS anymore....which is fine, but you have no clue that SB was lazy and slapped together or whatever. We all know the time in which they wrote and recorded the album. It was pretty fast, as they were to trying to get back to how they used to make album 100 years ago by their own admission. Unfortunately those days are long gone and at their age and ability to be creative these days - they need to spend much more time writing and recording if it's gonna be great. They seem to be doing that with Monster, so I am happy about that. I am glad Sonic Boom sounds great to you - I want and expect more. Play the new Van Halen stuff vs. Sonic Boom and it's like two different worlds just in terms of production. Never mind the songs. There is a professional factor that is just missing on Sonic Boom.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 0:25:13 GMT -5
Well I haven't heard Monster, so I can't comment on that - but Sonic Boom is lazy, unprofessional sounding and it screams we did this on the cheap and as fast as we could. You cannot tell me that they busted their ass on Sonic Boom. I have no idea. And neither do you. You not liking the end product doesn't make their effort lazy or unprofessional. If I recall from all the books I've read, they spent more time on Sonic Boom than they did on some of the early albums. Personally, I'm happy with Sonic Boom. I like the songs and the sound of the album. They could have done more marketing wise, but I don't know if that would have changed much in the end. Again, you don't know that. Truthfully, none of know that, either. We have no clue if they've physically spent more time on this album than they did the last one. As someone who works in the entertainment industry and having to oversee various production work, I can watch a movie or listen to an album and determine if it's professional work or not. Paul Stanley is not a producer and as such, it shows audibly on Sonic Boom. KISS fans are very forgiving. I mean fuck, people on the FAQ defend HITS production. Sonic Boom is not a professional production job. You liking it regardless doesn't negate that fact. I have enjoyed amateur work myself, but I can still point out that it's amateur work.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 29, 2012 0:25:36 GMT -5
Nonsense. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean shit. It sounds just fine to me, you just don't like KISS anymore....which is fine, but you have no clue that SB was lazy and slapped together or whatever. We all know the time in which they wrote and recorded the album. It was pretty fast, as they were to trying to get back to how they used to make album 100 years ago by their own admission. Unfortunately those days are long gone and at their age and ability to be creative these days - they need to spend much more time writing and recording if it's gonna be great. They seem to be doing that with Monster, so I am happy about that. I am glad Sonic Boom sounds great to you - I want and expect more. Play the new Van Halen stuff vs. Sonic Boom and it's like two different worlds just in terms of production. Never mind the songs. There is a professional factor that is just missing on Sonic Boom. In your opinion which you are entitled to.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 0:28:17 GMT -5
We all know the time in which they wrote and recorded the album. It was pretty fast, as they were to trying to get back to how they used to make album 100 years ago by their own admission. Unfortunately those days are long gone and at their age and ability to be creative these days - they need to spend much more time writing and recording if it's gonna be great. They seem to be doing that with Monster, so I am happy about that. I am glad Sonic Boom sounds great to you - I want and expect more. Play the new Van Halen stuff vs. Sonic Boom and it's like two different worlds just in terms of production. Never mind the songs. There is a professional factor that is just missing on Sonic Boom. In your opinion which you are entitled to. Well what's your opinion. Do you think Sonic Boom is right there with the production work of the new VH album from what you have heard so far?
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Post by Justlee on Jan 29, 2012 0:31:48 GMT -5
I have no idea. And neither do you. You not liking the end product doesn't make their effort lazy or unprofessional. If I recall from all the books I've read, they spent more time on Sonic Boom than they did on some of the early albums. Personally, I'm happy with Sonic Boom. I like the songs and the sound of the album. They could have done more marketing wise, but I don't know if that would have changed much in the end. Again, you don't know that. Truthfully, none of know that, either. We have no clue if they've physically spent more time on this album than they did the last one. As someone who works in the entertainment industry and having to oversee various production work, I can watch a movie or listen to an album and determine if it's professional work or not. Paul Stanley is not a producer and as such, it shows audibly on Sonic Boom. KISS fans are very forgiving. I mean fuck, people on the FAQ defend HITS production. Sonic Boom is not a professional production job. Disagree. The production is just fine. It is "brickwalled" which happened in the mastering process.....something that is becoming more and more the norm these days. Its not my favorite production of all time, but far from the worst.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 29, 2012 0:35:36 GMT -5
In your opinion which you are entitled to. Well what's your opinion. Do you think Sonic Boom is right there with the production work of the new VH album from what you have heard so far? The new VH sound good to me...but not as good as the Shinedown production I just heard on their upcoming disc. The SB production may not sound as good as these, but it sounds better than many.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 0:37:09 GMT -5
As someone who works in the entertainment industry and having to oversee various production work, I can watch a movie or listen to an album and determine if it's professional work or not. Paul Stanley is not a producer and as such, it shows audibly on Sonic Boom. KISS fans are very forgiving. I mean fuck, people on the FAQ defend HITS production. Sonic Boom is not a professional production job. Disagree. The production is just fine. It is "brickwalled" which happened in the mastering process.....something that is becoming more and more the norm these days. Its not my favorite production of all time, but far from the worst. Is that the standard we are going for - at least it's not the worst. And why are you happy with just fine. That's my point with KISS fans - they accept just fine. If Ezrin or Kramer produced Sonic Boom, it would most likely be better than just fine, but Paul thinks he knows what he is doing. Don't settle for mediocrity - too many KISS fans do that. Don't be one of those guys.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 29, 2012 0:39:12 GMT -5
SB sounds better sonically than anything Ezrin ever did with the band.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 0:45:25 GMT -5
SB sounds better sonically than anything Ezrin ever did with the band. Don't like the sound on Unholy in 1992? HITS is more your speed? I would bet my left nut that Sonic Boom would have come out a million times better under Ezrin's watch - both in the songwriting and production.
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Post by Justlee on Jan 29, 2012 0:47:36 GMT -5
SB sounds better sonically than anything Ezrin ever did with the band. Don't like the sound on Unholy in 1992? HITS is more your speed? I would bet my left nut that Sonic Boom would have come out a million times better under Ezrin's watch - both in the songwriting and production. You love you some Ezrin and his little whistle and huge coke habit don't you??....
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 0:57:30 GMT -5
Don't like the sound on Unholy in 1992? HITS is more your speed? I would bet my left nut that Sonic Boom would have come out a million times better under Ezrin's watch - both in the songwriting and production. You love you some Ezrin and his little whistle and huge coke habit don't you??.... I don't count The Elder, because he was fucked up then and the idea was stupid. Destroyer and Revenge are among the best albums KISS has ever done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 1:44:35 GMT -5
As someone who works in the entertainment industry and having to oversee various production work, I can watch a movie or listen to an album and determine if it's professional work or not. Paul Stanley is not a producer and as such, it shows audibly on Sonic Boom. KISS fans are very forgiving. I mean fuck, people on the FAQ defend HITS production. Sonic Boom is not a professional production job. You liking it regardless doesn't negate that fact. I have enjoyed amateur work myself, but I can still point out that it's amateur work. Well, I don't work in the entertainment industry. Never have. I'm looking at this from the angle of an end consumer. From that angle, the production of the album doesn't diminish anything. I have no clue if a production job is "professional" or not. The end result, to me, overall, seems anything but unprofessional. Forgiving? Sure, some fans will excuse anything, but my reasons for enjoying something Kiss does has nothing to do with forgiving them. I like it, or I don't. Simple. However, the production qualities have never really been a determining factor in that decision.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 1:48:24 GMT -5
As someone who works in the entertainment industry and having to oversee various production work, I can watch a movie or listen to an album and determine if it's professional work or not. Paul Stanley is not a producer and as such, it shows audibly on Sonic Boom. KISS fans are very forgiving. I mean fuck, people on the FAQ defend HITS production. Sonic Boom is not a professional production job. You liking it regardless doesn't negate that fact. I have enjoyed amateur work myself, but I can still point out that it's amateur work. Well, I don't work in the entertainment industry. Never have. I'm looking at this from the angle of an end consumer. From that angle, the production of the album doesn't diminish anything. I have no clue if a production job is "professional" or not. The end result, to me, overall, seems anything but unprofessional. Forgiving? Sure, some fans will excuse anything, but my reasons for enjoying something Kiss does has nothing to do with forgiving them. I like it, or I don't. Simple. However, the production qualities have never really been a determining factor in that decision. So you don't take how an album sounds into consideration when deciding if you like an album or not? In other words, have you never listened to an album and said to yourself - the songs are really good, but too bad the production sucks.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 29, 2012 1:49:56 GMT -5
From that angle, the production of the album doesn't diminish anything. I have no clue if a production job is "professional" or not. The end result, to me, overall, seems anything but unprofessional. Forgiving? Sure, some fans will excuse anything, but my reasons for enjoying something Kiss does has nothing to do with forgiving them. I like it, or I don't. Simple. However, the production qualities have never really been a determining factor in that decision. Hotter Than Hell proves your point. What does it prove? I wish we could go back into time and have Eddie Kramrer produce that album. The songs are there and they could have an epic album that may have been successful if the prodution was there.
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Post by Anomacunt the Excellent on Jan 29, 2012 2:02:37 GMT -5
Can I say while I wish the production was different on Hotter Than Hell, the production helps make a song like Parasite or Strange Ways the song that it is. Goin' Blind and All The Way also sound pretty good with the production.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 3:24:28 GMT -5
Well, I don't work in the entertainment industry. Never have. I'm looking at this from the angle of an end consumer. From that angle, the production of the album doesn't diminish anything. I have no clue if a production job is "professional" or not. The end result, to me, overall, seems anything but unprofessional. Forgiving? Sure, some fans will excuse anything, but my reasons for enjoying something Kiss does has nothing to do with forgiving them. I like it, or I don't. Simple. However, the production qualities have never really been a determining factor in that decision. So you don't take how an album sounds into consideration when deciding if you like an album or not? In other words, have you never listened to an album and said to yourself - the songs are really good, but too bad the production sucks. No, I don't. Good songs are good songs. They'll shine through. As FV stated, Hotter than Hell proves that. Changing the production on that album wouldn't necesarily make it a better album. It may make it more to your liking, though.
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Post by Justin on Jan 29, 2012 6:12:24 GMT -5
Even i had to begrudgingly admit Sonic Boom is not too half bad even the Tommy Thayer song is not bad.
Monster i am actually looking forward too i hope higher expectations don't kill it.
You shouldn't really be able to go too far wrong with a drummer like Eric Singer in my book there's something really wrong if it sucks.
Eric Singer can single handedly save even the most half assed material, i have incredible faith in Eric Singer when at times my over KISS faith has wained badly.
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Post by Justin on Jan 29, 2012 6:17:15 GMT -5
I think sometimes people hear the other bands perfection buffette then you can listen to a KISS album and it's a jolt but give me the KISS imperfection's any day over the perfection buffette's today rock bands serve up.
I don't want perfection in the studio as there's no where to go when you play the songs live.
I think sometimes we all forget that about KISS it is one of the best aspects of KISS is listening to the contrast of the studio and live.
There's rarely if ever been a more exciting band than KISS for this very reason and it has little to do with pyro, stage, lighting, costumes and fireworks that's where the critics never got it because they so quickly dismiss the music from one listen of the studio album.
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Post by Justin on Jan 29, 2012 6:20:01 GMT -5
Can I say while I wish the production was different on Hotter Than Hell, the production helps make a song like Parasite or Strange Ways the song that it is. Goin' Blind and All The Way also sound pretty good with the production. Hotter than hell remastered is the bomb !
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Post by Justin on Jan 29, 2012 6:27:55 GMT -5
Even i had to begrudgingly admit Sonic Boom is not too half bad even the Tommy Thayer song is not bad. Monster i am actually looking forward too i hope higher expectations don't kill it. You shouldn't really be able to go too far wrong with a drummer like Eric Singer in my book there's something really wrong if it sucks. Eric Singer can single handedly save even the most half assed material, i have incredible faith in Eric Singer when at times my over KISS faith has wained badly. ;D ;D ;D Amongst my fav I dream of this tour being cleaned up remastered for DVD release like the old " That's the way it is ELVIS tour docu / concert DVD. That's the way it is is still the best thing since sliced bread, the remaster of that is phenomonal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 6:46:28 GMT -5
Will Van Halen ever make the front page of the Hello Kitty newsletter? I don't think so...suck on that VH fans!!!
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Post by Spirit on Jan 29, 2012 7:46:31 GMT -5
A good producer would try and weed the shit out. That never happened on SB. Whoever said SB was better sonically than anything Ezrin ever produced with the band simply wasn't listening.
I will be interested to see how Monster is distributed, and the resulting sales.
Oh, and it is not fair to say they didn't work hard on SB. They had to write a "spaceman" themed song and copy and paste a bunch of Ace's solos. They will be dong that again on Monster. Thats a lot of work.
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