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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 2, 2024 23:03:45 GMT -5
I'm skeptical about people saying they've heard new music because the same people said he could still 'shred,' and we have proof that was incorrect.
As I've gotten older, I'm understanding about fate. Call it, God, happenstance, whatever, there are things that are beyond our control.
You could make a movie about the making of the movie, and I bet lots could relate to it. I've seen it in music and sports. Guys (and gals) get oh so close, but the rug is pulled out from under them, through no fault of their own.
Bitterness can be difficult to deal with; and I think that's been a huge problem for Vinnie, Ace, and Bob Kulick.
The unfortunate reality is life isn't fair, and nice guys often do finish last.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 2, 2024 23:24:42 GMT -5
I'm skeptical about people saying they've heard new music because the same people said he could still 'shred,' and we have proof that was incorrect. As I've gotten older, I'm understanding about fate. Call it, God, happenstance, whatever, there are things that are beyond our control. You could make a movie about the making of the movie, and I bet lots could relate to it. I've seen it in music and sports. Guys (and gals) get oh so close, but the rug is pulled out from under them, through no fault of their own. Bitterness can be difficult to deal with; and I think that's been a huge problem for Vinnie, Ace, and Bob Kulick. The unfortunate reality is life isn't fair, and nice guys often do finish last. That doesn't make me feel better.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 3, 2024 4:56:40 GMT -5
I'm skeptical about people saying they've heard new music because the same people said he could still 'shred,' and we have proof that was incorrect. As I've gotten older, I'm understanding about fate. Call it, God, happenstance, whatever, there are things that are beyond our control. You could make a movie about the making of the movie, and I bet lots could relate to it. I've seen it in music and sports. Guys (and gals) get oh so close, but the rug is pulled out from under them, through no fault of their own. Bitterness can be difficult to deal with; and I think that's been a huge problem for Vinnie, Ace, and Bob Kulick. The unfortunate reality is life isn't fair, and nice guys often do finish last. That doesn't make me feel better. Sorry! I sometimes get bogged down thinking about what could've (or should've) been. But reality actually makes me feel better. It's kind of along the lines we were discussing about thinking of Eddie Van Halen being a geek. I mean, he kinda was, but he was the ultimate rock star to us as kids/teens. But you look at how troubled his life was, and realize fame, fortune, accolades, etc. are a facade. And he's far from the only one. I'm still a work in progress, but I'm learning to give everything I do my best, and let the cards fall where they may. It's sounds trite, but it's really all any of us can do.
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Post by battra on Jan 3, 2024 19:22:48 GMT -5
Presume his mortgage is zero. That's not an unreasonable assumption. $5,000/year to keep the house cool, warm, and full of running water (etc). $5,000/year to feed and clothe himself. That's 3 or 4 events a year and he'll pull in $10K. I don't know all the details, but I have a hard time presuming no mortgage. If memory serves, that broken down house behind the fence with the turd in the shower got foreclosed. He also has bankruptcies, though I don't know how recent. Add to that the judgments against him that Gene and Paul have, and I don't see how he owns a home, after bankruptcies, foreclosures, and judgments. It's possible a parent died and left him a place, and inheritance may be covered by homestead. I don't know. There are also issues with how much he can earn while receiving social security. I know nothing about that, either. I just don't see these gatherings - which are fewer and less attended with each passing year - as some great cash cow. Especially when for a guy that thinks he's a musical genius, becomes such a laughingstock at Sludge with the crowd he attracts. I don't pass judgment - but that's just how it is. The posing behind the giant mixer is phonier than anything Paul or Gene have ever done. Plug a guitar in and hit record - a ten year old can do it! I guess let me rephrase. We should be able to assume no mortgage. But he's kind of a dumbass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:52:20 GMT -5
If he wants to be truly old school, he could make an album for the hardcores only available on vinyl. He could still charge 40-50 for the collectors album. It wouldn't look so sleazy.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 10, 2024 13:58:08 GMT -5
If he wants to be truly old school, he could make an album for the hardcores only available on vinyl. He could still charge 40-50 for the collectors album. It wouldn't look so sleazy. I guess the point from some is that he doesn't actually have new music to release. Be it vinyl or on 8 track and he is stringing his fans along.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 10, 2024 14:35:55 GMT -5
If he wants to be truly old school, he could make an album for the hardcores only available on vinyl. He could still charge 40-50 for the collectors album. It wouldn't look so sleazy. If he would do anything it wouldn't look so sleazy. It's been six years since Vinnie reappeared, promising the moon, and we have nothing. Well, we do have a cancelled gig with Carmine Appice and Tony Franklin, terrible clips of him shredding on a toy tank when he reneged at Creaturesfest, dozens of announcements of releases that have all fallen through, pics of him behind a giant mixing desk (of which he probably doesn't know what any of the knobs do), that perplexing video of him chopping heads with a Flying V while cackling, etc., and endless laughingstock moments on message boards. He absolutely could play to his small, hardcore fan base; but the endless self-aggrandizing posts and announcements invite the backlash. If he wants to release vinyl for a small sect, no one is stopping him. But why play dress-up in a recording studio and post on social media?
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 11, 2024 12:36:24 GMT -5
If he wants to be truly old school, he could make an album for the hardcores only available on vinyl. He could still charge 40-50 for the collectors album. It wouldn't look so sleazy. If he would do anything it wouldn't look so sleazy. It's been six years since Vinnie reappeared, promising the moon, and we have nothing. Well, we do have a cancelled gig with Carmine Appice and Tony Franklin, terrible clips of him shredding on a toy tank when he reneged at Creaturesfest, dozens of announcements of releases that have all fallen through, pics of him behind a giant mixing desk (of which he probably doesn't know what any of the knobs do), that perplexing video of him chopping heads with a Flying V while cackling, etc., and endless laughingstock moments on message boards. He absolutely could play to his small, hardcore fan base; but the endless self-aggrandizing posts and announcements invite the backlash. If he wants to release vinyl for a small sect, no one is stopping him. But why play dress-up in a recording studio and post on social media? It's called hype and promotion. I am willing to believe that something exists and the rich guy who bankrolled Creaturefest standing next to him has heard it. Now something doesn't mean anything good - it could just be awful wanking for 60 minutes or music made 25 years ago that he put a new fresh coat of paint on to make it sound new. Whatever the case, I don't believe people would lie and say they heard new music that doesn't actually exist. I will give Vinnie that much. Why doesn't he release it finally? I believe there is a mental health component there. If he does release it regardless of how bad it is - will you give him credit for finally doing so?
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 11, 2024 14:55:16 GMT -5
If he would do anything it wouldn't look so sleazy. It's been six years since Vinnie reappeared, promising the moon, and we have nothing. Well, we do have a cancelled gig with Carmine Appice and Tony Franklin, terrible clips of him shredding on a toy tank when he reneged at Creaturesfest, dozens of announcements of releases that have all fallen through, pics of him behind a giant mixing desk (of which he probably doesn't know what any of the knobs do), that perplexing video of him chopping heads with a Flying V while cackling, etc., and endless laughingstock moments on message boards. He absolutely could play to his small, hardcore fan base; but the endless self-aggrandizing posts and announcements invite the backlash. If he wants to release vinyl for a small sect, no one is stopping him. But why play dress-up in a recording studio and post on social media? It's called hype and promotion. I am willing to believe that something exists and the rich guy who bankrolled Creaturefest standing next to him has heard it. Now something doesn't mean anything good - it could just be awful wanking for 60 minutes or music made 25 years ago that he put a new fresh coat of paint on to make it sound new. Whatever the case, I don't believe people would lie and say they heard new music that doesn't actually exist. I will give Vinnie that much. Why doesn't he release it finally? I believe there is a mental health component there. If he does release it regardless of how bad it is - will you give him credit for finally doing so? I am not one to minimize mental health issues, and I do believe there is one here. That's why I feel the ones enabling Vinnie's illness are doing him a huge disservice. I've watched interviews with addicts in Kensington/Philadelphia. Many of them have loving families; but they will NOT let them come home until they agree to seek help. It's tough love, but it's what's needed. I find it hilarious that the legacy of Kiss is countless followers who parrot their endless self-promotion and hype: Vinnie, Bob Kulick, Gooch, Andrew, Neil, 3 Sides, etc. They are all mini-Genes. From the little I've seen, Neil seems like a guy with a lot of money, a huge ego, and gullible. He was going to be the savior, get Vinnie in the studio, get him to the masses, etc. But even he backed out. Vinnie screwed him at Creaturesfest, backed out at the last minute from a cancer benefit in which all he had to do was strum beginner 3 guitar chords, etc. Just like the guy who hired Appice and Franklin, at some point you pull the plug. You and I can write a song right now. I can have it on YouTube, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, today. I can have it in every digital outlet in every country in less than a week, for less than $10. And get this - we don't need a giant mixing desk. The reality is, with Pro Tools, a mixer is unnecessary. I use a small 12 channel one so I don't have to patch cables ever, but that's just for convenience. In other words - it's easier to release a single than it is to pose behind mixers, pose holding a guitar, post on social media, etc.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 11, 2024 15:39:22 GMT -5
It's called hype and promotion. I am willing to believe that something exists and the rich guy who bankrolled Creaturefest standing next to him has heard it. Now something doesn't mean anything good - it could just be awful wanking for 60 minutes or music made 25 years ago that he put a new fresh coat of paint on to make it sound new. Whatever the case, I don't believe people would lie and say they heard new music that doesn't actually exist. I will give Vinnie that much. Why doesn't he release it finally? I believe there is a mental health component there. If he does release it regardless of how bad it is - will you give him credit for finally doing so? I am not one to minimize mental health issues, and I do believe there is one here. That's why I feel the ones enabling Vinnie's illness are doing him a huge disservice. I've watched interviews with addicts in Kensington/Philadelphia. Many of them have loving families; but they will NOT let them come home until they agree to seek help. It's tough love, but it's what's needed. I find it hilarious that the legacy of Kiss is countless followers who parrot their endless self-promotion and hype: Vinnie, Bob Kulick, Gooch, Andrew, Neil, 3 Sides, etc. They are all mini-Genes. From the little I've seen, Neil seems like a guy with a lot of money, a huge ego, and gullible. He was going to be the savior, get Vinnie in the studio, get him to the masses, etc. But even he backed out. Vinnie screwed him at Creaturesfest, backed out at the last minute from a cancer benefit in which all he had to do was strum beginner 3 guitar chords, etc. Just like the guy who hired Appice and Franklin, at some point you pull the plug. You and I can write a song right now. I can have it on YouTube, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, today. I can have it in every digital outlet in every country in less than a week, for less than $10. And get this - we don't need a giant mixing desk. The reality is, with Pro Tools, a mixer is unnecessary. I use a small 12 channel one so I don't have to patch cables ever, but that's just for convenience. In other words - it's easier to release a single than it is to pose behind mixers, pose holding a guitar, post on social media, etc. I don't disagree with your position at all, but I think where we differ is that I do believe Neil and others associated with Neil who have said they have heard new music from Vinnie and at least from their perspective - they were happy with what they heard. Now Vinnie screwing them over is entirely another discussion, but that has seemed to be a constant for Vinnie - many name people have come out and said that Vinnie is very talented, but he rubs them the wrong way otherwise and they don't want to work with him. It doesn't matter how hard or how easy it is to put a song out there in the world. There is a whole other factor involved when it comes to Vinnie and I don't believe it is to scam people, but again - a legitimate mental health component that is in the way. Even if we were to work on a song together - my ADD and a little bit of OCD to the point that I would be extremely meticulous over the song - you would probably want to release it before I would be comfortable doing so. It would sort of have to be perfect in my mind as irrational as that might be to you. So I can kind of imagine and relate to Vinnie being the same way, but maybe 100 times worse because he has people who are just waiting to shit on him over anything he releases and so he probably has real fear here and it has become debilitating for him. Now having said that - I am not saying we should have sympathy for Vinnie and I completely understand the backlash he has received and ultimately deserves. I just think you are oversimplifying things in Vinnie's case when it comes to releasing new music. That a whole team of psychiatrists could tell you why he hasn't and it isn't because he hasn't worked on new music.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 11, 2024 17:03:11 GMT -5
I am not one to minimize mental health issues, and I do believe there is one here. That's why I feel the ones enabling Vinnie's illness are doing him a huge disservice. I've watched interviews with addicts in Kensington/Philadelphia. Many of them have loving families; but they will NOT let them come home until they agree to seek help. It's tough love, but it's what's needed. I find it hilarious that the legacy of Kiss is countless followers who parrot their endless self-promotion and hype: Vinnie, Bob Kulick, Gooch, Andrew, Neil, 3 Sides, etc. They are all mini-Genes. From the little I've seen, Neil seems like a guy with a lot of money, a huge ego, and gullible. He was going to be the savior, get Vinnie in the studio, get him to the masses, etc. But even he backed out. Vinnie screwed him at Creaturesfest, backed out at the last minute from a cancer benefit in which all he had to do was strum beginner 3 guitar chords, etc. Just like the guy who hired Appice and Franklin, at some point you pull the plug. You and I can write a song right now. I can have it on YouTube, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, today. I can have it in every digital outlet in every country in less than a week, for less than $10. And get this - we don't need a giant mixing desk. The reality is, with Pro Tools, a mixer is unnecessary. I use a small 12 channel one so I don't have to patch cables ever, but that's just for convenience. In other words - it's easier to release a single than it is to pose behind mixers, pose holding a guitar, post on social media, etc. I don't disagree with your position at all, but I think where we differ is that I do believe Neil and others associated with Neil who have said they have heard new music from Vinnie and at least from their perspective - they were happy with what they heard. Now Vinnie screwing them over is entirely another discussion, but that has seemed to be a constant for Vinnie - many name people have come out and said that Vinnie is very talented, but he rubs them the wrong way otherwise and they don't want to work with him. It doesn't matter how hard or how easy it is to put a song out there in the world. There is a whole other factor involved when it comes to Vinnie and I don't believe it is to scam people, but again - a legitimate mental health component that is in the way. Even if we were to work on a song together - my ADD and a little bit of OCD to the point that I would be extremely meticulous over the song - you would probably want to release it before I would be comfortable doing so. It would sort of have to be perfect in my mind as irrational as that might be to you. So I can kind of imagine and relate to Vinnie being the same way, but maybe 100 times worse because he has people who are just waiting to shit on him over anything he releases and so he probably has real fear here and it has become debilitating for him. Now having said that - I am not saying we should have sympathy for Vinnie and I completely understand the backlash he has received and ultimately deserves. I just think you are oversimplifying things in Vinnie's case when it comes to releasing new music. That a whole team of psychiatrists could tell you why he hasn't and it isn't because he hasn't worked on new music. I know all about the OCD, and I've been (rightly) accused of being a perfectionist my whole life. When I dated a doctor in the 2000's, once she got to know me, she was stunned I had never sought treatment. In addition, like everyone else on the planet, I am riddled with insecurities. But using those personal issues as an excuse for doing nothing, is a cop-out. I am highly meticulous in guitar practice, songwriting, preproduction, recording, etc. I'm a constant note-taker and have countless full spiral notebooks and empty pen cartridges. I challenge anyone to out-OCD me in the studio or on the jump rope mat. Vinnie's issues are multiple. First of all, he is not a virtuoso guitar player or world-class songwriter. But he has delusions of grandeur that he is both. Deep down, he knows he isn't. But his delusions are furthered by the small number of sycophants who believe his flat-earth level fantasies. Music history is riddled with OCD perfectionists, from Beethoven to Mutt Lange. If Vinnie were to put even a short video out, it would be difficult or impossible for him to stay on Fantasy Island; because the evidence would be there for all to see. That is the real reason he is so protective of being filmed, especially at Creaturesfest. Vinnie insists on controlling the narrative, which he couldn't do if others had clips of him on their own YouTube channels. What little did surface is godawful.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 11, 2024 17:49:39 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your position at all, but I think where we differ is that I do believe Neil and others associated with Neil who have said they have heard new music from Vinnie and at least from their perspective - they were happy with what they heard. Now Vinnie screwing them over is entirely another discussion, but that has seemed to be a constant for Vinnie - many name people have come out and said that Vinnie is very talented, but he rubs them the wrong way otherwise and they don't want to work with him. It doesn't matter how hard or how easy it is to put a song out there in the world. There is a whole other factor involved when it comes to Vinnie and I don't believe it is to scam people, but again - a legitimate mental health component that is in the way. Even if we were to work on a song together - my ADD and a little bit of OCD to the point that I would be extremely meticulous over the song - you would probably want to release it before I would be comfortable doing so. It would sort of have to be perfect in my mind as irrational as that might be to you. So I can kind of imagine and relate to Vinnie being the same way, but maybe 100 times worse because he has people who are just waiting to shit on him over anything he releases and so he probably has real fear here and it has become debilitating for him. Now having said that - I am not saying we should have sympathy for Vinnie and I completely understand the backlash he has received and ultimately deserves. I just think you are oversimplifying things in Vinnie's case when it comes to releasing new music. That a whole team of psychiatrists could tell you why he hasn't and it isn't because he hasn't worked on new music. I know all about the OCD, and I've been (rightly) accused of being a perfectionist my whole life. When I dated a doctor in the 2000's, once she got to know me, she was stunned I had never sought treatment. In addition, like everyone else on the planet, I am riddled with insecurities. But using those personal issues as an excuse for doing nothing, is a cop-out. I am highly meticulous in guitar practice, songwriting, preproduction, recording, etc. I'm a constant note-taker and have countless full spiral notebooks and empty pen cartridges. I challenge anyone to out-OCD me in the studio or on the jump rope mat. Vinnie's issues are multiple. First of all, he is not a virtuoso guitar player or world-class songwriter. But he has delusions of grandeur that he is both. Deep down, he knows he isn't. But his delusions are furthered by the small number of sycophants who believe his flat-earth level fantasies. Music history is riddled with OCD perfectionists, from Beethoven to Mutt Lange. If Vinnie were to put even a short video out, it would be difficult or impossible for him to stay on Fantasy Island; because the evidence would be there for all to see. That is the real reason he is so protective of being filmed, especially at Creaturesfest. Vinnie insists on controlling the narrative, which he couldn't do if others had clips of him on their own YouTube channels. What little did surface is godawful. It just isn't a one size fits all thing. As I mentioned to you before - it often took a lot of poking and prodding to get you to post music online and sometimes even then you didn't - you have gotten better now as you also agreed. Even getting you to post online when it came to topics was sometimes like pulling teeth. You would say you were going to, but didn't ala that Phil Collen thread on the FAQ. I am not saying this to be critical of you, but for whatever reason in your head - you just didn't pull the trigger on these things even with the intention of doing so. And I get that. So perhaps Vinnie is like 100 times worse and whatever his other issues may be - delusion or whatever else, it doesn't negate the fact that I do believe he has made new music in some form, but his brain is not allowing him to just unleash it to the world just because it is easier than ever to do so. The quality of said music is completely irrelevant. It just the method to his madness and I can relate to that if nothing else when it comes to Vinnie. The bottom line is that Neil and others who Vinnie has burned - would come out and say that no actual new music existed as a way to get back at him if that was the case. I think you need to concede at the very least that there is new music in some form even if it is complete dogshit. Even Joma who saw him acknowledged that he can play and could play his songs with KISS if say Vinnie played with them on a KISS Kruise or something, but that would be the extent of it.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 11, 2024 19:04:57 GMT -5
I know all about the OCD, and I've been (rightly) accused of being a perfectionist my whole life. When I dated a doctor in the 2000's, once she got to know me, she was stunned I had never sought treatment. In addition, like everyone else on the planet, I am riddled with insecurities. But using those personal issues as an excuse for doing nothing, is a cop-out. I am highly meticulous in guitar practice, songwriting, preproduction, recording, etc. I'm a constant note-taker and have countless full spiral notebooks and empty pen cartridges. I challenge anyone to out-OCD me in the studio or on the jump rope mat. Vinnie's issues are multiple. First of all, he is not a virtuoso guitar player or world-class songwriter. But he has delusions of grandeur that he is both. Deep down, he knows he isn't. But his delusions are furthered by the small number of sycophants who believe his flat-earth level fantasies. Music history is riddled with OCD perfectionists, from Beethoven to Mutt Lange. If Vinnie were to put even a short video out, it would be difficult or impossible for him to stay on Fantasy Island; because the evidence would be there for all to see. That is the real reason he is so protective of being filmed, especially at Creaturesfest. Vinnie insists on controlling the narrative, which he couldn't do if others had clips of him on their own YouTube channels. What little did surface is godawful. It just isn't a one size fits all thing. As I mentioned to you before - it often took a lot of poking and prodding to get you to post music online and sometimes even then you didn't - you have gotten better now as you also agreed. Even getting you to post online when it came to topics was sometimes like pulling teeth. You would say you were going to, but didn't ala that Phil Collen thread on the FAQ. I am not saying this to be critical of you, but for whatever reason in your head - you just didn't pull the trigger on these things even with the intention of doing so. And I get that. So perhaps Vinnie is like 100 times worse and whatever his other issues may be - delusion or whatever else, it doesn't negate the fact that I do believe he has made new music in some form, but his brain is not allowing him to just unleash it to the world just because it is easier than ever to do so. The quality of said music is completely irrelevant. It just the method to his madness and I can relate to that if nothing else when it comes to Vinnie. The bottom line is that Neil and others who Vinnie has burned - would come out and say that no actual new music existed as a way to get back at him if that was the case. I think you need to concede at the very least that there is new music in some form even if it is complete dogshit. Even Joma who saw him acknowledged that he can play and could play his songs with KISS if say Vinnie played with them on a KISS Kruise or something, but that would be the extent of it. In my case, I pick my battles. The Phil Collen debate was coming from a point of severe ignorance on one side. I'd gladly debate it, but that battlefield wasn't level; and it's not important to me. And truthfully I don't care about Vinnie, either. I think his shredding is amateurish and his songwriting without co-writers forgettable. But the Miles Davis video surprised me by getting hits. I know people from other boards lurk here, so I figured what the heck - I'll put myself out there for ridicule to (click) bait people into watching the Miles Davis video. There are other topics I don't go near, simply because of the level of vitriol they bring. I think both Neil and Vinnie are clowns for posing behind that mixing desk, acting like they had the next Dark Side Of the Moon on their hands; only for this much time to pass and we still haven't heard a note. What a freaking joke! Just because Neil can afford the hourly rate at a recording studio doesn't mean either he or Vinnie have half a clue what to do in there. Look, I get it. It's tough putting yourself out there. Last year I put a song out I was more proud of than any song I ever released. It met with crickets; not even my friends would give it a listen. I threw myself a huge pity party. I remember being terrified the first jump rope vid I posted without a shirt. It was hot out and I wasn't planning on posting it; but I was proud of the jump, and decided to not let the 'haters' stop me. So I don't care if Vinnie never releases anything. But he should stop being a delusional poser. Why pose behind a mixing desk and never release anything? That's an **shole maneuver, for sure.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 11, 2024 19:27:13 GMT -5
It just isn't a one size fits all thing. As I mentioned to you before - it often took a lot of poking and prodding to get you to post music online and sometimes even then you didn't - you have gotten better now as you also agreed. Even getting you to post online when it came to topics was sometimes like pulling teeth. You would say you were going to, but didn't ala that Phil Collen thread on the FAQ. I am not saying this to be critical of you, but for whatever reason in your head - you just didn't pull the trigger on these things even with the intention of doing so. And I get that. So perhaps Vinnie is like 100 times worse and whatever his other issues may be - delusion or whatever else, it doesn't negate the fact that I do believe he has made new music in some form, but his brain is not allowing him to just unleash it to the world just because it is easier than ever to do so. The quality of said music is completely irrelevant. It just the method to his madness and I can relate to that if nothing else when it comes to Vinnie. The bottom line is that Neil and others who Vinnie has burned - would come out and say that no actual new music existed as a way to get back at him if that was the case. I think you need to concede at the very least that there is new music in some form even if it is complete dogshit. Even Joma who saw him acknowledged that he can play and could play his songs with KISS if say Vinnie played with them on a KISS Kruise or something, but that would be the extent of it. In my case, I pick my battles. The Phil Collen debate was coming from a point of severe ignorance on one side. I'd gladly debate it, but that battlefield wasn't level; and it's not important to me. And truthfully I don't care about Vinnie, either. I think his shredding is amateurish and his songwriting without co-writers forgettable. But the Miles Davis video surprised me by getting hits. I know people from other boards lurk here, so I figured what the heck - I'll put myself out there for ridicule to (click) bait people into watching the Miles Davis video. There are other topics I don't go near, simply because of the level of vitriol they bring. I think both Neil and Vinnie are clowns for posing behind that mixing desk, acting like they had the next Dark Side Of the Moon on their hands; only for this much time to pass and we still haven't heard a note. What a freaking joke! Just because Neil can afford the hourly rate at a recording studio doesn't mean either he or Vinnie have half a clue what to do in there. Look, I get it. It's tough putting yourself out there. Last year I put a song out I was more proud of than any song I ever released. It met with crickets; not even my friends would give it a listen. I threw myself a huge pity party. I remember being terrified the first jump rope vid I posted without a shirt. It was hot out and I wasn't planning on posting it; but I was proud of the jump, and decided to not let the 'haters' stop me. So I don't care if Vinnie never releases anything. But he should stop being a delusional poser. Why pose behind a mixing desk and never release anything? That's an **shole maneuver, for sure. I am not saying it should be important to you and it doesn't matter ultimately - I was just trying to illustrate that you are also someone that often wants to do something with my pushing you to do so, but you don't end up not doing it. So maybe Vinnie is also like this on a far and away more extreme level that has ultimately ruined his life. But again, you are much better now and I am glad you have been posting your music much more frequently for people to hear. I have to be honest in that I was surprised you were interested in the Pumpkins audition, but I didn't think you would end up sending your audition for whatever reason, so I am happy you did. I think you are reading too much into that Vinnie photo. They had an event at a recording studio and it makes perfect sense to take a cool photo in the studio. If I was in Vancouver and got to hang with Bob Rock at Little Mountain Sound, would you think I was a douche for wanting to take a photo with him in front of the board? Hell I would want to take a photo with you in your studio and act like I am producing your new album.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 11, 2024 22:02:42 GMT -5
In my case, I pick my battles. The Phil Collen debate was coming from a point of severe ignorance on one side. I'd gladly debate it, but that battlefield wasn't level; and it's not important to me. And truthfully I don't care about Vinnie, either. I think his shredding is amateurish and his songwriting without co-writers forgettable. But the Miles Davis video surprised me by getting hits. I know people from other boards lurk here, so I figured what the heck - I'll put myself out there for ridicule to (click) bait people into watching the Miles Davis video. There are other topics I don't go near, simply because of the level of vitriol they bring. I think both Neil and Vinnie are clowns for posing behind that mixing desk, acting like they had the next Dark Side Of the Moon on their hands; only for this much time to pass and we still haven't heard a note. What a freaking joke! Just because Neil can afford the hourly rate at a recording studio doesn't mean either he or Vinnie have half a clue what to do in there. Look, I get it. It's tough putting yourself out there. Last year I put a song out I was more proud of than any song I ever released. It met with crickets; not even my friends would give it a listen. I threw myself a huge pity party. I remember being terrified the first jump rope vid I posted without a shirt. It was hot out and I wasn't planning on posting it; but I was proud of the jump, and decided to not let the 'haters' stop me. So I don't care if Vinnie never releases anything. But he should stop being a delusional poser. Why pose behind a mixing desk and never release anything? That's an **shole maneuver, for sure. I am not saying it should be important to you and it doesn't matter ultimately - I was just trying to illustrate that you are also someone that often wants to do something with my pushing you to do so, but you don't end up not doing it. So maybe Vinnie is also like this on a far and away more extreme level that has ultimately ruined his life. But again, you are much better now and I am glad you have been posting your music much more frequently for people to hear. I have to be honest in that I was surprised you were interested in the Pumpkins audition, but I didn't think you would end up sending your audition for whatever reason, so I am happy you did. I think you are reading too much into that Vinnie photo. They had an event at a recording studio and it makes perfect sense to take a cool photo in the studio. If I was in Vancouver and got to hang with Bob Rock at Little Mountain Sound, would you think I was a douche for wanting to take a photo with him in front of the board? Hell I would want to take a photo with you in your studio and act like I am producing your new album. Here's the thing - it's not just the pic in the studio. It's the literally dozens of announcements and broken promises, God-willing, like the two box sets for everyone who ordered, the gig with Appice and Franklin, Creaturesfest, the cancer benefit, and countless others. Vinnie has every right to put nothing out, or to play/release only to his few fans. But the self-aggrandizing social media posts are what I call BS on. I would understand a pic with Bob Rock at Little Mountain Sound, just as I have no problem with the Kiss fans at Electric Ladyland. The devil is in the details. Vinnie and Neil presented it as if they were working on some masterpiece album, and Vinnie also posed with a guitar he vehemently refuses to let anyone hear him play. Somewhere I have a pic of me and Cindy Crawford at a Rooms to Go promotion. No big deal - until I start suggesting she and I just got married are at Rooms to Go buying newlywed furniture. That's when we cross the line of reality to Fantasy Island, which is what Neil and Vinnie holding a guitar behind a million dollar recording desk is. Speaking of which - you'd laugh if you saw my humble recording setup. Not much to take a picture with!
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 16, 2024 20:42:14 GMT -5
I am not saying it should be important to you and it doesn't matter ultimately - I was just trying to illustrate that you are also someone that often wants to do something with my pushing you to do so, but you don't end up not doing it. So maybe Vinnie is also like this on a far and away more extreme level that has ultimately ruined his life. But again, you are much better now and I am glad you have been posting your music much more frequently for people to hear. I have to be honest in that I was surprised you were interested in the Pumpkins audition, but I didn't think you would end up sending your audition for whatever reason, so I am happy you did. I think you are reading too much into that Vinnie photo. They had an event at a recording studio and it makes perfect sense to take a cool photo in the studio. If I was in Vancouver and got to hang with Bob Rock at Little Mountain Sound, would you think I was a douche for wanting to take a photo with him in front of the board? Hell I would want to take a photo with you in your studio and act like I am producing your new album. Here's the thing - it's not just the pic in the studio. It's the literally dozens of announcements and broken promises, God-willing, like the two box sets for everyone who ordered, the gig with Appice and Franklin, Creaturesfest, the cancer benefit, and countless others. Vinnie has every right to put nothing out, or to play/release only to his few fans. But the self-aggrandizing social media posts are what I call BS on. I would understand a pic with Bob Rock at Little Mountain Sound, just as I have no problem with the Kiss fans at Electric Ladyland. The devil is in the details. Vinnie and Neil presented it as if they were working on some masterpiece album, and Vinnie also posed with a guitar he vehemently refuses to let anyone hear him play. Somewhere I have a pic of me and Cindy Crawford at a Rooms to Go promotion. No big deal - until I start suggesting she and I just got married are at Rooms to Go buying newlywed furniture. That's when we cross the line of reality to Fantasy Island, which is what Neil and Vinnie holding a guitar behind a million dollar recording desk is. Speaking of which - you'd laugh if you saw my humble recording setup. Not much to take a picture with! Well according to Ace in a new interview, Vinnie can still play. What more do you need? In terms of what the Creatures Fest experience was like, Frehley stated: “Well, I’m really good friends with Bruce Kulick and his wife, believe it or not. That convention we did, where Bruce, Vinnie Vincent, and I got together in Florida or somewhere, was the first time I met Vinnie Vincent. It’s hard to believe, considering it’s been 30 to 40 years since he replaced me when I left KISS, and for some reason, our paths never crossed. But he was a real sweetheart. We got along famously. I didn’t realize he was as short as he was and he had some feminine traits, but he can still play, and we had fun. Bruce is a great guitar player. He played with Grand Funk Railroad for several years. But I recently heard that he quit, so I don’t know exactly what Bruce is up to these days.
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Post by Margo Leadbetter on Jan 17, 2024 7:00:46 GMT -5
Pretty funny that Bruce has more money than Ace has now.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 17, 2024 14:34:11 GMT -5
Pretty funny that Bruce has more money than Ace has now. Sure Ace owes money, but he far and away has more opportunity to earn money than Bruce does who was making peanuts in Grand Funk. The house is Ace's as well. Not Lara's as some claim that it is and that he moved in with her.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 17, 2024 15:10:30 GMT -5
Here's the thing - it's not just the pic in the studio. It's the literally dozens of announcements and broken promises, God-willing, like the two box sets for everyone who ordered, the gig with Appice and Franklin, Creaturesfest, the cancer benefit, and countless others. Vinnie has every right to put nothing out, or to play/release only to his few fans. But the self-aggrandizing social media posts are what I call BS on. I would understand a pic with Bob Rock at Little Mountain Sound, just as I have no problem with the Kiss fans at Electric Ladyland. The devil is in the details. Vinnie and Neil presented it as if they were working on some masterpiece album, and Vinnie also posed with a guitar he vehemently refuses to let anyone hear him play. Somewhere I have a pic of me and Cindy Crawford at a Rooms to Go promotion. No big deal - until I start suggesting she and I just got married are at Rooms to Go buying newlywed furniture. That's when we cross the line of reality to Fantasy Island, which is what Neil and Vinnie holding a guitar behind a million dollar recording desk is. Speaking of which - you'd laugh if you saw my humble recording setup. Not much to take a picture with! Well according to Ace in a new interview, Vinnie can still play. What more do you need? In terms of what the Creatures Fest experience was like, Frehley stated: “Well, I’m really good friends with Bruce Kulick and his wife, believe it or not. That convention we did, where Bruce, Vinnie Vincent, and I got together in Florida or somewhere, was the first time I met Vinnie Vincent. It’s hard to believe, considering it’s been 30 to 40 years since he replaced me when I left KISS, and for some reason, our paths never crossed. But he was a real sweetheart. We got along famously. I didn’t realize he was as short as he was and he had some feminine traits, but he can still play, and we had fun. Bruce is a great guitar player. He played with Grand Funk Railroad for several years. But I recently heard that he quit, so I don’t know exactly what Bruce is up to these days. Just more confirmation that Ace is indeed deaf.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 17, 2024 15:21:09 GMT -5
Well according to Ace in a new interview, Vinnie can still play. What more do you need? In terms of what the Creatures Fest experience was like, Frehley stated: “Well, I’m really good friends with Bruce Kulick and his wife, believe it or not. That convention we did, where Bruce, Vinnie Vincent, and I got together in Florida or somewhere, was the first time I met Vinnie Vincent. It’s hard to believe, considering it’s been 30 to 40 years since he replaced me when I left KISS, and for some reason, our paths never crossed. But he was a real sweetheart. We got along famously. I didn’t realize he was as short as he was and he had some feminine traits, but he can still play, and we had fun. Bruce is a great guitar player. He played with Grand Funk Railroad for several years. But I recently heard that he quit, so I don’t know exactly what Bruce is up to these days. Just more confirmation that Ace is indeed deaf. Well he IS actually playing. You hated his playing in the 80's - so it would be no different now. No one said it would be Mr. Blackwell approved playing.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 17, 2024 15:28:35 GMT -5
Just more confirmation that Ace is indeed deaf. Well he IS actually playing. You hated his playing in the 80's - so it would be no different now. No one said it would be Mr. Blackwell approved playing. It's completely un-musical. His technique is terrible, which he attempts to mask with gobs of distortion. Slow it down to 50% and you can hear what an unmitigated mess his technique is. And even if his playing was clean, he's playing musical gibberish. There are no lines, no contours, no implied harmonies, etc. They are mindless, random notes which would at least sound somewhat impressive if executed cleanly; which they are not.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 17, 2024 15:42:07 GMT -5
Well he IS actually playing. You hated his playing in the 80's - so it would be no different now. No one said it would be Mr. Blackwell approved playing. It's completely un-musical. His technique is terrible, which he attempts to mask with gobs of distortion. Slow it down to 50% and you can hear what an unmitigated mess his technique is. And even if his playing was clean, he's playing musical gibberish. There are no lines, no contours, no implied harmonies, etc. They are mindless, random notes which would at least sound somewhat impressive if executed cleanly; which they are not. I meant when he is playing the KISS songs. Not the wanking.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 17, 2024 22:14:09 GMT -5
Apparently more than 100 people have joined Vinnie's $200 fee website. You do the math. That's easy money that will pay for Vinnie's life for a little while. It is actually kind of amazing that he has maintained this kind of dedication with people when it comes to taking their money.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 17, 2024 22:39:24 GMT -5
Apparently more than 100 people have joined Vinnie's $200 fee website. You do the math. That's easy money that will pay for Vinnie's life for a little while. It is actually kind of amazing that he has maintained this kind of dedication with people when it comes to taking their money. What's the source of that? I have a hard time believing two signed up, let alone two hundred. And if you believe followers and numbers on a FB are all legit, I have some swampland in New Jersey to show you.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 17, 2024 22:44:04 GMT -5
Apparently more than 100 people have joined Vinnie's $200 fee website. You do the math. That's easy money that will pay for Vinnie's life for a little while. It is actually kind of amazing that he has maintained this kind of dedication with people when it comes to taking their money. What's the source of that? I have a hard time believing two signed up, let alone two hundred. And if you believe followers and numbers on a FB are all legit, I have some swampland in New Jersey to show you. They are not all legit, but that is usually with MUCH higher numbers in followers when you get into bots. If he has 100 or 200 members on Facebook or if you did, it is probably pretty accurate.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 18, 2024 0:29:55 GMT -5
What's the source of that? I have a hard time believing two signed up, let alone two hundred. And if you believe followers and numbers on a FB are all legit, I have some swampland in New Jersey to show you. They are not all legit, but that is usually with MUCH higher numbers in followers when you get into bots. If he has 100 or 200 members on Facebook or if you did, it is probably pretty accurate. Just like all those net worth sites, right? Totally accurate. Are you on Facebook or had an account since it became Meta? You can set up a page and get 200 followers in the blink of an eye. And don't you think even Vinnie knows everyone would call bulls**t if he had some ridiculously high number of members at $200 a pop? Vinnie is a known scammer with countless fake handles - Meredith, Paul Runner, Sphinx, etc. Give me a break. I don't believe there is even 5 legit members, even given how gullible his followers are.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 18, 2024 0:41:29 GMT -5
They are not all legit, but that is usually with MUCH higher numbers in followers when you get into bots. If he has 100 or 200 members on Facebook or if you did, it is probably pretty accurate. Just like all those net worth sites, right? Totally accurate. Are you on Facebook or had an account since it became Meta? You can set up a page and get 200 followers in the blink of an eye. And don't you think even Vinnie knows everyone would call bulls**t if he had some ridiculously high number of members at $200 a pop? Vinnie is a known scammer with countless fake handles - Meredith, Paul Runner, Sphinx, etc. Give me a break. I don't believe there is even 5 legit members, even given how gullible his followers are. Yes, I am very familiar with Facebook and Twitter. I see no real red flag here. When you get into bots and fake accounts is when you get into the thousands of followers typically and you want to pad it even more to compete with other people who have large followings. Unless you are paying for followers from the get go to build a business or get your name out there and I don't think Vinnie is paying for that. A hundred+ sounds about right of the people who keep going to his conventions and give money to him in other ways, but sure I wouldn't be surprised if there are a 5 or 10 made by Vinnie accounts. Vinnie has suckered a lot of people continually for money, so I don't know why this would be any different.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Jan 18, 2024 0:51:17 GMT -5
It still sounds grossly inflated to me.
There's never been anywhere close to 100 people at his bashes. Sure, they are slightly more expensive, but at least there's an event. Who would pay nearly half that just to join a meaningless Facebook page?
To my recollection, no one has done a paid Facebook page and he's got nowhere near enough interest/traction to be the first.
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Post by Hey Man on Jan 18, 2024 0:57:09 GMT -5
It still sounds grossly inflated to me. There's never been anywhere close to 100 people at his bashes. Sure, they are slightly more expensive, but at least there's an event. Who would pay nearly half that just to join a meaningless Facebook page? To my recollection, no one has done a paid Facebook page and he's got nowhere near enough interest/traction to be the first. Well we shall see then if he makes an announcement saying out of the kindness of his heart, he has retracted the fee and given refunds, because clearly he wants people to still have access to him so he can sell them shit. It won't be beneficial to him if he just has 100 fake accounts to give the illusion that he has followers who paid. Just doing a quick Google search - you can have Facebook groups with fees. So I imagine many exist.
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Post by Mr. Blackwell on Feb 10, 2024 1:21:42 GMT -5
So what's the latest?
Wasn't Vinnie supposed to have some release and a gig in February?
It's now February 10, so shouldn't it be happening soon?
I didn't realistically think anything would happen; just calling out more BS with his asinine big announcements.
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