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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 11:04:54 GMT -5
Well what did u guys think? I think he sounded ok on some stuff and horrible on others. By the way Tommy butchered the end of Getaway. Apparently Paul left the ship to see a throat Doctor??
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 19, 2011 12:35:26 GMT -5
The whole thing was nothing special. I am sure it was a blast for the people who were there, but nothing about the video clips surpassed mediocre.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 12:50:16 GMT -5
All I've seen is the Hard Luck Woman clip, didn't make me jump out of my chair and want to seek out anything else. Not to tempt you but he did sing Forever...Imagine how good that sounded ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by RisingFarce on Oct 19, 2011 13:46:35 GMT -5
Trolling like this only really works at the FAQ.
Because I allow it, mainly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 14:42:51 GMT -5
Paul's voice is shot. We all know that. It ain't ever getting better. It's too late. He can still sing well when he sings softly. For example, the intro to Black Diamond sounds as good now as it's ever done. And he sang the soft parts in songs like Forever and Shandi alright or good enough. But, as soon as he's pushing his voice for power or range it's fucked up. The range, power and control is gone. He's 60 years old, so I doubt it'll ever get better. Think about it, it's almost a miracle that it survived until he was in his mid 50ies, considering the way he's been singing and screaming for SO long.
It makes me sad to see my old hero like this, though.
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Post by Anomacunt the Excellent on Oct 19, 2011 15:05:19 GMT -5
Kee nailed it, wonder what that "he was flown off the boat to a throat doctor in Boston" story came from though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 15:27:18 GMT -5
Kee nailed it, wonder what that "he was flown off the boat to a throat doctor in Boston" story came from though. From someone's ass, I believe. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 20, 2011 8:06:48 GMT -5
The way I see it is this, plenty of singers the same age as Paul or even older - Sammy Hagar, Glenn Hughes, David Coverdale, Paul Rodgers and others still have great pipes for their age. Sure they may not be as strong as they were when they were 30 years old, but nonetheless, they are not as embarrassing as Paul has become and I just can't overlook it anymore. He needs to find a new way to sing the songs like Plant has done, because the range and power just isn't there anymore and the more he tries to pretend like nothing is wrong - the worse it will be.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 20, 2011 8:43:19 GMT -5
Then there's the ego that gets in the way of what you're suggesting, smart as it is to suggest.
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Post by Spirit on Oct 20, 2011 9:15:27 GMT -5
Then there's the ego that gets in the way of what you're suggesting, smart as it is to suggest. Bingo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 10:21:22 GMT -5
Then there's the ego that gets in the way of what you're suggesting, smart as it is to suggest. Humility was never a strong suit, for anyone in this band.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 15:23:26 GMT -5
The way I see it is this, plenty of singers the same age as Paul or even older - Sammy Hagar, Glenn Hughes, David Coverdale, Paul Rodgers and others still have great pipes for their age. Sure they may not be as strong as they were when they were 30 years old, but nonetheless, they are not as embarrassing as Paul has become and I just can't overlook it anymore. He needs to find a new way to sing the songs like Plant has done, because the range and power just isn't there anymore and the more he tries to pretend like nothing is wrong - the worse it will be. I see your point and I kinda agree. But. I know of NO SINGER that belted out the songs in the manner as Paul used to do, and still kinda tries to do = abusing the voice. From the way he pushed his voice while singing to all that annoying SCREAMING in between songs... I mean, had the singers you mentioned done exactly that, then I'd assure you that their voices had been shot, too. So, age IN ITSELF aint't the big factor here (for example, see Gene for reference). The factor is that an old Paul is a Paul that has been screaming and abusing his voice for a LONG time. Nearly 40 years. And that, my friends, cannot be good for the voice. And that's why I said that it's almost a miracle that he kept his voice for as long as he did. I mean, mid 50ies, considering his singing approach, ain't that bad.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 21, 2011 23:30:45 GMT -5
The way I see it is this, plenty of singers the same age as Paul or even older - Sammy Hagar, Glenn Hughes, David Coverdale, Paul Rodgers and others still have great pipes for their age. Sure they may not be as strong as they were when they were 30 years old, but nonetheless, they are not as embarrassing as Paul has become and I just can't overlook it anymore. He needs to find a new way to sing the songs like Plant has done, because the range and power just isn't there anymore and the more he tries to pretend like nothing is wrong - the worse it will be. I see your point and I kinda agree. But. I know of NO SINGER that belted out the songs in the manner as Paul used to do, and still kinda tries to do = abusing the voice. From the way he pushed his voice while singing to all that annoying SCREAMING in between songs... I mean, had the singers you mentioned done exactly that, then I'd assure you that their voices had been shot, too. So, age IN ITSELF aint't the big factor here (for example, see Gene for reference). The factor is that an old Paul is a Paul that has been screaming and abusing his voice for a LONG time. Nearly 40 years. And that, my friends, cannot be good for the voice. And that's why I said that it's almost a miracle that he kept his voice for as long as he did. I mean, mid 50ies, considering his singing approach, ain't that bad. While other singers many not have done as much banter as he has done at concerts, plenty of singer have wailed as much as he has over the years. KISS is like an old dog that need to be put to sleep. They are done and nothing about the cruise changes that very hard and very real fact.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 22, 2011 11:35:38 GMT -5
I see your point and I kinda agree. But. I know of NO SINGER that belted out the songs in the manner as Paul used to do, and still kinda tries to do = abusing the voice. From the way he pushed his voice while singing to all that annoying SCREAMING in between songs... I mean, had the singers you mentioned done exactly that, then I'd assure you that their voices had been shot, too. So, age IN ITSELF aint't the big factor here (for example, see Gene for reference). The factor is that an old Paul is a Paul that has been screaming and abusing his voice for a LONG time. Nearly 40 years. And that, my friends, cannot be good for the voice. And that's why I said that it's almost a miracle that he kept his voice for as long as he did. I mean, mid 50ies, considering his singing approach, ain't that bad. While other singers many not have done as much banter as he has done at concerts, plenty of singer have wailed as much as he has over the years. KISS is like an old dog that need to be put to sleep. They are done and nothing about the cruise changes that very hard and very real fact. Thousands of fans say different about KISS being done. So it's not a very hard and very real fact to those people. Maybe you and some others, but the fact is that KISS is still good business....that is the very hard and very real fact....whether you like it or not. About Paul's voice....yes it sounds rough. But who knows if it has anything to do with his past screaming and singing and whatnot. It could have something to do with him developing nodes on his vocal cords. It could be a medical issue like that. Who knows??
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 22, 2011 11:38:42 GMT -5
IF it's medical...get if fixed. Still, fixable or not, adjust HOW you sing these songs so that you don't sound so much like shit. Thank Christ Elton John doesn't PRETEND he's still capable of doing all the stuff he once could do. To Paul that's incomprehensible and to Elton and others like him, it's smart. At the same time you know Paul doesn't want to admit he can't do that stuff anymore like he used to, you'd ALSO think he wouldn't want to embarrass himself either. I guess sounding like shit is better than admitting you can't do it anymore. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Justlee on Oct 22, 2011 11:44:22 GMT -5
IF it's medical...get if fixed. Still, fixable or not, adjust HOW you sing these songs so that you don't sound so much like shit. Thank Christ Elton John doesn't PRETEND he's still capable of doing all the stuff he once could do. To Paul that's incomprehensible and to Elton and others like him, it's smart. At the same time you know Paul doesn't want to admit he can't do that stuff anymore like he used to, you'd ALSO think he wouldn't want to embarrass himself either. I guess sounding like shit is better than admitting you can't do it anymore. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Not all node surgeries are successful....sometimes it even makes it worse. I have no clue if that's the problem, but it sure sounds like he has all the symptoms. Maybe he thinks he's too old to have the surgery. I'm no doctor so I don't know. I don't disagree about Paul not wanting to admit it though. But you have got to know he knows it's not what it once was. I am sure his ego is all up in his way...... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 22, 2011 13:24:56 GMT -5
While other singers many not have done as much banter as he has done at concerts, plenty of singer have wailed as much as he has over the years. KISS is like an old dog that need to be put to sleep. They are done and nothing about the cruise changes that very hard and very real fact. Thousands of fans say different about KISS being done. So it's not a very hard and very real fact to those people. Maybe you and some others, but the fact is that KISS is still good business....that is the very hard and very real fact....whether you like it or not. About Paul's voice....yes it sounds rough. But who knows if it has anything to do with his past screaming and singing and whatnot. It could have something to do with him developing nodes on his vocal cords. It could be a medical issue like that. Who knows?? Let's be honest - KISS have one of the most sheep infested fanbases in all of music history. There will always be certain fans that will love KISS no matter what they do and who will want them to continue as long as Paul and Gene still have pumping hearts and can breathe on their own without a ventilator.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 22, 2011 13:48:38 GMT -5
Almost like you with Coverdale and Hagar???
But yes you are correct about their fanbase...which makes them still viable no matter how much it bothers you.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 22, 2011 14:05:27 GMT -5
Almost like you with Coverdale and Hagar??? But yes you are correct about their fanbase...which makes them still viable no matter how much it bothers you. Not at all like Coverdale and Hagar actually. I would shoot them myself if they got as bad as KISS has gotten. So you see sheep making KISS viable as a good thing?
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Post by Justlee on Oct 22, 2011 16:04:16 GMT -5
I didn't say it was good or bad. But to say they are done is simply not true just because you say so.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 22, 2011 17:23:21 GMT -5
I didn't say it was good or bad. But to say they are done is simply not true just because you say so. I think it's absolutely fair for KISS fans that can be critical of the band to comment on those that are sheep. The sheep are completely invalid.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 22, 2011 19:58:36 GMT -5
I didn't say it was good or bad. But to say they are done is simply not true just because you say so. I think it's absolutely fair for KISS fans that can be critical of the band to comment on those that are sheep. The sheep are completely invalid. Your comment about the band being done has nothing to do with KISS fans being critical of the band commenting on the sheep as you call them. The sheep keep going to shows and keep buying merchandise....that keeps the band going....thus proving that your comment about them being done is in fact not true. They may be done to you and some others, but they aren't going anywhere because YOU say they are done. Your words aren't the gospel....oh yea, you don't like that word do you??...... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 22, 2011 20:07:06 GMT -5
If a demographic of suckers still wants to pay money for KISS concerts and merchandise, even though the band has become a living joke, I can't fault KISS for taking sheep money.
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Post by dute on Oct 22, 2011 22:10:56 GMT -5
Let's be honest - KISS have one of the most sheep infested fanbases in all of music history. Let's not get over dramatic now, shall we?
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 22, 2011 22:23:43 GMT -5
Let's be honest - KISS have one of the most sheep infested fanbases in all of music history. Let's not get over dramatic now, shall we? I couldn't be more serious.
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Post by dute on Oct 22, 2011 22:33:23 GMT -5
Let's not get over dramatic now, shall we? I couldn't be more serious. Bold statement. It's very likely there's hardcore 'sheep' for other bands.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 22, 2011 22:38:08 GMT -5
I couldn't be more serious. Bold statement. It's very likely there's hardcore 'sheep' for other bands. There are, but KISS fans are the sheep champions.
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Post by dute on Oct 22, 2011 22:48:09 GMT -5
Bold statement. It's very likely there's hardcore 'sheep' for other bands. There are, but KISS fans are the sheep champions. Again, bold statement that really has no leg to stand on. There are fanatical fans everywhere and you don't know if KISS fans are the 'champions'.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 22, 2011 23:01:13 GMT -5
There are, but KISS fans are the sheep champions. Again, bold statement that really has no leg to stand on. There are fanatical fans everywhere and you don't know if KISS fans are the 'champions'. Well I stand by that bold statement, which I don't think is so bold in the first place. I think I am pretty much stating the obvious.
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Post by dute on Oct 23, 2011 1:50:06 GMT -5
Again, bold statement that really has no leg to stand on. There are fanatical fans everywhere and you don't know if KISS fans are the 'champions'. Well I stand by that bold statement, which I don't think is so bold in the first place. I think I am pretty much stating the obvious. Sure, there's the overly passionate fan in KISS, I don't deny that. So if by that that is an obvious statement - fine. However you've got those types of fans with other bands. To say we're holding poll position in that category is silly, IMO. It may not be as documented elsewhere, or it just appears to be more prominent as we follow KISS more closely than other bands. In one way or another, we're all 'sheep'. We follow something. Who gives a shit. It seems people are too wrapped up with concerns of who is a blind worshipper or not. Who cares. Like what you like, let others like what they like and be done with it. It's child's play. I thought high school finished long ago. I know I've got better things to worry about than if Gary (or whomever) supports every single thing the band does. Sorry. Don't mean for that to sound at all harsh but wow. This gets boring. Us vs Them. Sheep or not sheep. We can talk about the band without getting into that crap.
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