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Post by Hey Man on Oct 25, 2011 2:22:35 GMT -5
And I could answer what I like. I am also capable of talking about KISS critically as well. But obviously that's not the kind of thing you want to be doing with your podkisst's and that's fine. I personally just can't listen to KISS kumbaya, but I know you have many fans. So it's all good. I believe that I talk about KISS critically, I believe Gary and the many many guest we have had on the show do as well. Again, the round tables are the best, because we do have differing opinions. We feel we reflect the opinions of most KISS fans. What number podkisst episode would you say has been the most critical of KISS? You know, like the one where someone said I don't know what the fuck KISS was thinking when they did that or where someone spent 15 minutes ranting about how bad a particular KISS album is or where you all list the worst KISS albums and songs? Give me the most critical podkisst, as I would really like to be proven wrong and want to hear for myself just how hard core critical you guys are.
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Post by dute on Oct 25, 2011 3:32:06 GMT -5
I believe that I talk about KISS critically, I believe Gary and the many many guest we have had on the show do as well. Again, the round tables are the best, because we do have differing opinions. We feel we reflect the opinions of most KISS fans. What number podkisst episode would you say has been the most critical of KISS? You know, like the one where someone said I don't know what the fuck KISS was thinking when they did that or where someone spent 15 minutes ranting about how bad a particular KISS album is or where you all list the worst KISS albums and songs? Give me the most critical podkisst, as I would really like to be proven wrong and want to hear for myself just how hard core critical you guys are. Why the focus on the negative? Is this some kind of gauge? Bitch about something bad about KISS for 15 minutes and thus proving you are not a sheep? When I'm talking to the guy you all know as Sam T Serpent on the FAQ about KISS, we'll touch on what we don't like for a couple of minutes and be done with it (and that doesn't mean it also won't get brought up in future conversations either if it's necessary). Quick, ask me about Dressed To Kill. I've got a few things to say about it that aren't positive. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 9:13:02 GMT -5
What number podkisst episode would you say has been the most critical of KISS? You know, like the one where someone said I don't know what the fuck KISS was thinking when they did that or where someone spent 15 minutes ranting about how bad a particular KISS album is or where you all list the worst KISS albums and songs? Give me the most critical podkisst, as I would really like to be proven wrong and want to hear for myself just how hard core critical you guys are. Why the focus on the negative? Is this some kind of gauge? Bitch about something bad about KISS for 15 minutes and thus proving you are not a sheep? When I'm talking to the guy you all know as Sam T Serpent on the FAQ about KISS, we'll touch on what we don't like for a couple of minutes and be done with it (and that doesn't mean it also won't get brought up in future conversations either if it's necessary). Quick, ask me about Dressed To Kill. I've got a few things to say about it that aren't positive. ;D And you call yourself a fan :lol as far as naming a podkisst that had some one whining for 15 minutes, you won't find one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 9:15:11 GMT -5
What number podkisst episode would you say has been the most critical of KISS? You know, like the one where someone said I don't know what the fuck KISS was thinking when they did that or where someone spent 15 minutes ranting about how bad a particular KISS album is or where you all list the worst KISS albums and songs? Give me the most critical podkisst, as I would really like to be proven wrong and want to hear for myself just how hard core critical you guys are. Why the focus on the negative? Is this some kind of gauge? Bitch about something bad about KISS for 15 minutes and thus proving you are not a sheep?When I'm talking to the guy you all know as Sam T Serpent on the FAQ about KISS, we'll touch on what we don't like for a couple of minutes and be done with it (and that doesn't mean it also won't get brought up in future conversations either if it's necessary). Quick, ask me about Dressed To Kill. I've got a few things to say about it that aren't positive. ;D We wouldn't take the time to discuss anyone song for 15 minutes. and like dute so wonderfully put it..."Is this some kind of gauge? Bitch about something bad about KISS for 15 minutes and thus proving you are not a sheep?" do you win a prize for who can complain the longest?
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 25, 2011 12:29:23 GMT -5
Why the focus on the negative? Is this some kind of gauge? Bitch about something bad about KISS for 15 minutes and thus proving you are not a sheep?When I'm talking to the guy you all know as Sam T Serpent on the FAQ about KISS, we'll touch on what we don't like for a couple of minutes and be done with it (and that doesn't mean it also won't get brought up in future conversations either if it's necessary). Quick, ask me about Dressed To Kill. I've got a few things to say about it that aren't positive. ;D We wouldn't take the time to discuss anyone song for 15 minutes. and like dute so wonderfully put it..."Is this some kind of gauge? Bitch about something bad about KISS for 15 minutes and thus proving you are not a sheep?" do you win a prize for who can complain the longest? No it's not a guage, but if I had a Whitesnake podcast show, I can tell you that not only would I want people on the show that had extremely different opinons - I would want to mix it up and have positive and negative views of the band. I guess that's just me. I just don't understand why talking negatively about KISS even if one is a fan of the band, is such a bad thing once in a while. It's not like you haven't spent the majority of your life talking about the positive when it comes to KISS. It's worth talking about, it's interesting and it can be entertaining. Generally speaking, I know what most people love about KISS from reading shit on the FAQ, so for me - now that I know what you love, I want to know what you don't love about the band.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 25, 2011 12:36:54 GMT -5
What number podkisst episode would you say has been the most critical of KISS? You know, like the one where someone said I don't know what the fuck KISS was thinking when they did that or where someone spent 15 minutes ranting about how bad a particular KISS album is or where you all list the worst KISS albums and songs? Give me the most critical podkisst, as I would really like to be proven wrong and want to hear for myself just how hard core critical you guys are. Why the focus on the negative? Is this some kind of gauge? Bitch about something bad about KISS for 15 minutes and thus proving you are not a sheep? When I'm talking to the guy you all know as Sam T Serpent on the FAQ about KISS, we'll touch on what we don't like for a couple of minutes and be done with it (and that doesn't mean it also won't get brought up in future conversations either if it's necessary). Quick, ask me about Dressed To Kill. I've got a few things to say about it that aren't positive. ;D I don't buy into "why focus on the negative". When it comes to any topic, I find critical discussion much more interesting than people just talking about what they love. I would much rather know and discuss why someone hates something over why they love it. I prefer discussion with people who don't agree with me over those that do. I don't care to +1, which I could do all day long if I wanted to. I prefer discussions with people who can discuss both the positive and the negative. Every forum I have ever belonged to, I have ripped into the subject matter of the forum - be it a band, actor, movie, etc. I am a fan ultimately, but I want to discuss all aspects and that includes the negative. KISSFAQ is really the only forum I have been on, where people don't like when you talk bad about something - in this case, KISS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 12:47:37 GMT -5
We wouldn't take the time to discuss anyone song for 15 minutes. and like dute so wonderfully put it..."Is this some kind of gauge? Bitch about something bad about KISS for 15 minutes and thus proving you are not a sheep?" do you win a prize for who can complain the longest? No it's not a guage, but if I had a Whitesnake podcast show, I can tell you that not only would I want people on the show that had extremely different opinons - I would want to mix it up and have positive and negative views of the band. I guess that's just me. I just don't understand why talking negatively about KISS even if one is a fan of the band, is such a bad thing once in a while. It's not like you haven't spent the majority of your life talking about the positive when it comes to KISS. It's worth talking about, it's interesting and it can be entertaining. Generally speaking, I know what most people love about KISS from reading shit on the FAQ, so for me - now that I know what you love, I want to know what you don't love about the band. You really do not understand that some people really just enjoy what they do?, not everything, but the good out weighs the less than stellar moments.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 25, 2011 13:14:18 GMT -5
No it's not a guage, but if I had a Whitesnake podcast show, I can tell you that not only would I want people on the show that had extremely different opinons - I would want to mix it up and have positive and negative views of the band. I guess that's just me. I just don't understand why talking negatively about KISS even if one is a fan of the band, is such a bad thing once in a while. It's not like you haven't spent the majority of your life talking about the positive when it comes to KISS. It's worth talking about, it's interesting and it can be entertaining. Generally speaking, I know what most people love about KISS from reading shit on the FAQ, so for me - now that I know what you love, I want to know what you don't love about the band. You really do not understand that some people really just enjoy what they do?, not everything, but the good out weighs the less than stellar moments. Oh I understand, but I am more interested in knowing what those less than stellar moments are. If I just want sunshine and rainbow discussion - I can get that at the FAQ all day, every day. I preferred people like Spirt, Blackwell and others that added something different and what I deem to be more interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 13:21:28 GMT -5
You really do not understand that some people really just enjoy what they do?, not everything, but the good out weighs the less than stellar moments. Oh I understand, but I am more interested in knowing what those less than stellar moments are. If I just want sunshine and rainbow discussion - I can get that at the FAQ all day, every day. I preferred people like Spirt, Blackwell and others that added something different and what I deem to be more interesting. I enjoy Spirit, but alot of what he said was not actual discussion, just shooting fish in a barrel with a BeBe gun. He is much more intelligent than most of what he posted.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 25, 2011 13:53:15 GMT -5
Oh I understand, but I am more interested in knowing what those less than stellar moments are. If I just want sunshine and rainbow discussion - I can get that at the FAQ all day, every day. I preferred people like Spirt, Blackwell and others that added something different and what I deem to be more interesting. I enjoy Spirit, but alot of what he said was not actual discussion, just shooting fish in a barrel with a BeBe gun. He is much more intelligent than most of what he posted. That's fine, but in addition to many others - he helped make that place bearable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 13:59:12 GMT -5
I miss his true insights when he was real there.
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Post by dute on Oct 25, 2011 17:29:51 GMT -5
I just don't understand why talking negatively about KISS even if one is a fan of the band, is such a bad thing once in a while. Who said it was? The problem comes down to people who cannot hold a proper conversation/debate who ruin it for everyone else.
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Post by Justlee on Oct 25, 2011 17:54:56 GMT -5
You really do not understand that some people really just enjoy what they do?, not everything, but the good out weighs the less than stellar moments. Oh I understand, but I am more interested in knowing what those less than stellar moments are. If I just want sunshine and rainbow discussion - I can get that at the FAQ all day, every day. I preferred people like Spirt, Blackwell and others that added something different and what I deem to be more interesting. In Spirit's case, just bring up Ace and see how "critical" he is......
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Post by Justlee on Oct 25, 2011 18:00:14 GMT -5
No it's not a guage, but if I had a Whitesnake podcast show, I can tell you that not only would I want people on the show that had extremely different opinons - I would want to mix it up and have positive and negative views of the band. I guess that's just me. I just don't understand why talking negatively about KISS even if one is a fan of the band, is such a bad thing once in a while. It's not like you haven't spent the majority of your life talking about the positive when it comes to KISS. It's worth talking about, it's interesting and it can be entertaining. Generally speaking, I know what most people love about KISS from reading shit on the FAQ, so for me - now that I know what you love, I want to know what you don't love about the band. You really do not understand that some people really just enjoy what they do?, not everything, but the good out weighs the less than stellar moments. Totally agreed. Most of the time at the Faq, I was called a sheep mainly because I like Sonic Boom and don't have a problem with the current lineup. Funny, when I was critical of the band in the past, especially if I brought up the original lineup, or the Reunion Tour those same people defended it till the end. Who are the real sheep?? Maybe just different sheep I suppose......
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 25, 2011 18:28:45 GMT -5
You really do not understand that some people really just enjoy what they do?, not everything, but the good out weighs the less than stellar moments. Totally agreed. Most of the time at the Faq, I was called a sheep mainly because I like Sonic Boom and don't have a problem with the current lineup. Funny, when I was critical of the band in the past, especially if I brought up the original lineup, or the Reunion Tour those same people defended it till the end. Who are the real sheep?? Maybe just different sheep I suppose...... You like Sonic Boom? Well fuck, you are a sheep. ;D
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Post by Justlee on Oct 25, 2011 18:36:46 GMT -5
Totally agreed. Most of the time at the Faq, I was called a sheep mainly because I like Sonic Boom and don't have a problem with the current lineup. Funny, when I was critical of the band in the past, especially if I brought up the original lineup, or the Reunion Tour those same people defended it till the end. Who are the real sheep?? Maybe just different sheep I suppose...... You like Sonic Boom? Well fuck, you are a sheep. ;D See what I mean??.....oh you're joking. You can't pull the wool over my eyes.........
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Post by dute on Oct 25, 2011 19:52:48 GMT -5
Will still push RR or Yes I Know to be played live. Great tunes. In my dreams, I know.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 26, 2011 8:56:51 GMT -5
Will still push RR or Yes I Know to be played live. Great tunes. In my dreams, I know. I still maintain SB is their best album since LIU. Doesn't mean it's perfect, Paul's songs are for the most part crap, 80s anthem shit he's been stuck writing for decades, but Gene's tunes were great and made up for 'em. Revenge is better than SB, simply with Unholy all by itself.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 26, 2011 9:05:32 GMT -5
Revenge is better than SB, simply with Unholy all by itself. I actually think Paul's tunes were worse on Revenge. Take It Off is unlistenable, the bridge in that song is painfully awful. I Just Wanna, terrible. That ballad wussier than More Than Words. All of his shit songs there would be perfectly at home on Crazy Nights or Hot In The Shade. So you think Never Enough is better than say Tough Love? Let me remind that Paul stole from Poison and Whitesnake on that song.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 26, 2011 10:08:29 GMT -5
Paul also stole BLATANTLY from Eddie Cochran's Summertime Blues melody on Revenge's I Just Wanna, by both Paul's own and Bruce's acknowledgement!!
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 26, 2011 10:34:35 GMT -5
Paul also stole BLATANTLY from Eddie Cochran's Summertime Blues melody on Revenge's I Just Wanna, by both Paul's own and Bruce's acknowledgement!! Fair enough, but Never Enough stands out so much more over I Just Wanna. Plus the Bob Ezrin vs. Paul Stanley as producer factor is huge. SB sounds terrible.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 26, 2011 11:16:35 GMT -5
So you think Never Enough is better than say Tough Love? Let me remind that Paul stole from Poison and Whitesnake on that song. Both songs blow, but damn, that chrous on Tough Love is embarassingly bad. I'd rather be caught listening to Keel. Let's be honest here - Paul has sucked for years now. Gene is what makes Revenge and SB. In many ways, Paul actually brings down the band.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 26, 2011 12:04:17 GMT -5
I like both records, Revenge a smidgen or so higher. Good problem to have, enjoying both.
Now let's talk about Asylum if you want to wallow in trash.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 26, 2011 14:27:44 GMT -5
I disagree. I think he floated Kiss (musically) from 84-89. Now that may just be relatively speaking, but Gene was the far worse offender during this period, as a songwriter.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 26, 2011 14:42:59 GMT -5
I disagree. I think he floated Kiss (musically) from 84-89. Now that may just be relatively speaking, but Gene was the far worse offender during this period, as a songwriter. I will take Burn Bitch Burn over any of Paul's Bon Jovi wannabe songs, lame Desmond Child co-writes, pop crap or his pathetic ballads. At least BBB is hard rock, even if it's bad hard rock.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 26, 2011 15:03:23 GMT -5
Depends on the song. I'll take Heaven's On Fire or Tears Are Falling or Forever over Burn Bitch Burns. (See how that works?).
If I were to grade out the quality of their songs from 84-to-89, I'd rate Paul's higher on the whole. Gene was phoning it in...quite literally. They were only as good as they were in this lowest of low times because of Paul IMO. Even MORE of a reason to get Carr's tracks on those albums for Godsake!
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 26, 2011 15:08:16 GMT -5
Depends on the song. I'll take Heaven's On Fire or Tears Are Falling or Forever over Burn Bitch Burns. (See how that works?). If I were to grade out the quality of their songs from 84-to-89, I'd rate Paul's higher on the whole. Gene was phoning it in...quite literally. They were only as good as they were in this lowest of low times because of Paul IMO. Even MORE of a reason to get Carr's tracks on those albums for Godsake! My god Tears Are Falling is awful. All of Asylum is a write off, but even if Gene was phoning in his songs, there is one factor that puts Gene above Paul - he at least remembered that KISS is supposed to be a hard rock band. Not a Bon Jovi drenched pussy band that Paul seemed hell bent on making KISS be.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 26, 2011 15:18:10 GMT -5
I love Tears Are Falling. Top 10 song they did in the 80s IMO. Oh well. Terrible album, I agree. I like about 3 songs total.
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Post by R&ROVER on Oct 26, 2011 15:21:14 GMT -5
Depends on the song. I'll take Heaven's On Fire or Tears Are Falling or Forever over Burn Bitch Burns. (See how that works?). If I were to grade out the quality of their songs from 84-to-89, I'd rate Paul's higher on the whole. Gene was phoning it in...quite literally. They were only as good as they were in this lowest of low times because of Paul IMO. Even MORE of a reason to get Carr's tracks on those albums for Godsake! My god Tears Are Falling is awful. All of Asylum is a write off, but even if Gene was phoning in his songs, there is one factor that puts Gene above Paul - he at least remembered that KISS is supposed to be a hard rock band. Not a Bon Jovi drenched pussy band that Paul seemed hell bent on making KISS be. That probably kept them around and as relevant as they were (note) as long as it did, though. It surely kept them on MTV when being on MTV was a pretty important thing. They weren't going to get on there with Murder In High Heels or Boomerang. All of Kiss's relative (note) MTV and radio success was with a Paul song....and rightly so. By Revenge Gene was absolutely writing the better songs, but not in that period after Creatures/LIU. Paul sure had his misses too, granted, but that boat was going to sink 4 times faster with Gene leading the charge.
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Post by Hey Man on Oct 26, 2011 15:22:24 GMT -5
I love Tears Are Falling. Top 10 song they did in the 80s IMO. Oh well. Terrible album, I agree. I like about 3 songs total. They should have stuck with the Creatures/LIU/Revenge formula in the 80's. They should have been a heavy band. Tears Are Falling is fine for a Paul Stanley solo album, but not for KISS. Same goes with Who Wants To Be Lonely. Fuck, what was he thinking.
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